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When will the Android version be released?

by samtp 13y ago

youngerdryas 13y ago
At the singularity.
kloncks 13y ago
Never. It's Gruber.
- rednukleus 13y ago
  Honest question - what is it with these Apple fanatics not wanting to write any software ever for Android, Windows, Linux or anything not Apple? Is it just spite?
  - slantyyz 13y ago
    >> what is it with these Apple fanatics not wanting to write any software ever for Android, Windows, Linux Perhaps the answer to your question is inside your question itself.
  - frenchy 13y ago
    It's probably because they see so much software that only works for Windows, or only works out-of-the box for Linux, they want something that makes their platform of choice special.
  - deleted 13y ago
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  - frou_dh 13y ago
    That's an odd question because it frames people exercising freedom to choose what they spend their own time on as unreasonable. Do you choose your own activities, necessarily not choosing others, out of spite?
    - rednukleus 13y ago
      I wouldn't choose to work for Goldman Sachs, for ethical reasons. I wouldn't buy an app from a guy that was rude to me when I met him, out of spite. I don't do certain things because I don't want to support certain companies or ecosystems. Often these things are, ethics aside, inconveniencing me, or stopping me from making as much money. Sometimes I just bite the bullet and use the app by the guy I don't like.
  - jkubicek 13y ago
    Why bother? An app like this is going to make significantly more money in the Apple ecosystem. With all the Vesper features they could be working on, I'm sure they don't see any need to spend time on Android or Windows right now.
    - rednukleus 13y ago
      > An app like this is going to make significantly more money in the Apple ecosystem More money possibly, but its hard to imagine it is not worth the cost of porting these types of apps - and that's what is relevant. Unless it is an ideological thing.
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  - jonhohle 13y ago
    The tools.
  - josephlord 13y ago
    I would prefer not to write software for Android or Windows because I don't want to support Google or Microsoft if I can help it[1]. Google is too powerful and has too much data and I really don't trust them. Microsoft while reasonably well behaved recently (maybe because they have lacked the power not to be) have a long history of dubious practices and unfairly squashing competition. Linux, Blackberry, Firefox OS, I would be happy developing for if they had worthwhile market share. [1] Note that this isn't an absolute and if the market conditions dictated it I would swallow this preference and live work with them but while there is a choice I would prefer not to. If I had a mega-hit on iOS I may port it to cash in, while I put non-zero dollar value on avoiding Google/MS it isn't unlimited either.
    - rednukleus 13y ago
      Thanks for the response. So it is an ethics thing with you. Personally the idea of supporting Apple over Google is alien to me, but is interesting reading other people's perspectives.
      - josephlord 13y ago
        I meant to include that I don't think that Apple are saints either. However their business model is largely making stuff people want and selling it with an upfront price rather than you (and the data trail you leave) being the product to be sold to advertisers. Google's scale and data collection creep me out already without adding more to it by using an Android phone, and therefore I don't want to encourage others to do things that I wouldn't do. But as I said its a preference rather than a hard black and white line for me, major corporations have their own interests at heart not customers/users where they conflict.
        rednukleus 13y ago
        I can see the logic in that point of view. For me the big thing is lock-in. Google let me transition off their services easily, and I can also use their products on a wide range of hardware. Microsoft is somewhat "open" in this respect, but less so. Apple actively push their customers into using software and services that only work on their hardware. Jobs and Gates both categorised their fight as Closed against Open, and personally I have a really hard time supporting Closed, even when Open means letting companies use my data to sell me ads. I dont write native apps, so I dont know if push came to shove if I would avoid writing apps for iOS or not.
- corresation 13y ago
  Gruber seems to have moderated somewhat, and while he still does the snarky "winning" thing and is abnormally interested in marketshare/profits, I would not be surprised if an Android version comes later. His prior partner in spirit, Arment, however, has only entrenched more than ever in his bias.

When will the Android version be released?

by samtp 13y ago

When will the Android version be released?

youngerdryas 13y ago

At the singularity.

kloncks 13y ago

Never. It's Gruber.

rednukleus 13y ago
Honest question - what is it with these Apple fanatics not wanting to write any software ever for Android, Windows, Linux or anything not Apple? Is it just spite?
- slantyyz 13y ago
  >> what is it with these Apple fanatics not wanting to write any software ever for Android, Windows, Linux Perhaps the answer to your question is inside your question itself.
- frenchy 13y ago
  It's probably because they see so much software that only works for Windows, or only works out-of-the box for Linux, they want something that makes their platform of choice special.
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]
- frou_dh 13y ago
  That's an odd question because it frames people exercising freedom to choose what they spend their own time on as unreasonable. Do you choose your own activities, necessarily not choosing others, out of spite?
  - rednukleus 13y ago
    I wouldn't choose to work for Goldman Sachs, for ethical reasons. I wouldn't buy an app from a guy that was rude to me when I met him, out of spite. I don't do certain things because I don't want to support certain companies or ecosystems. Often these things are, ethics aside, inconveniencing me, or stopping me from making as much money. Sometimes I just bite the bullet and use the app by the guy I don't like.
- jkubicek 13y ago
  Why bother? An app like this is going to make significantly more money in the Apple ecosystem. With all the Vesper features they could be working on, I'm sure they don't see any need to spend time on Android or Windows right now.
  - rednukleus 13y ago
    > An app like this is going to make significantly more money in the Apple ecosystem More money possibly, but its hard to imagine it is not worth the cost of porting these types of apps - and that's what is relevant. Unless it is an ideological thing.
    - deleted 13y ago
      [deleted]
- jonhohle 13y ago
  The tools.
- josephlord 13y ago
  I would prefer not to write software for Android or Windows because I don't want to support Google or Microsoft if I can help it[1]. Google is too powerful and has too much data and I really don't trust them. Microsoft while reasonably well behaved recently (maybe because they have lacked the power not to be) have a long history of dubious practices and unfairly squashing competition. Linux, Blackberry, Firefox OS, I would be happy developing for if they had worthwhile market share. [1] Note that this isn't an absolute and if the market conditions dictated it I would swallow this preference and live work with them but while there is a choice I would prefer not to. If I had a mega-hit on iOS I may port it to cash in, while I put non-zero dollar value on avoiding Google/MS it isn't unlimited either.
  - rednukleus 13y ago
    Thanks for the response. So it is an ethics thing with you. Personally the idea of supporting Apple over Google is alien to me, but is interesting reading other people's perspectives.
    - josephlord 13y ago
      I meant to include that I don't think that Apple are saints either. However their business model is largely making stuff people want and selling it with an upfront price rather than you (and the data trail you leave) being the product to be sold to advertisers. Google's scale and data collection creep me out already without adding more to it by using an Android phone, and therefore I don't want to encourage others to do things that I wouldn't do. But as I said its a preference rather than a hard black and white line for me, major corporations have their own interests at heart not customers/users where they conflict.
      - rednukleus 13y ago
        I can see the logic in that point of view. For me the big thing is lock-in. Google let me transition off their services easily, and I can also use their products on a wide range of hardware. Microsoft is somewhat "open" in this respect, but less so. Apple actively push their customers into using software and services that only work on their hardware. Jobs and Gates both categorised their fight as Closed against Open, and personally I have a really hard time supporting Closed, even when Open means letting companies use my data to sell me ads. I dont write native apps, so I dont know if push came to shove if I would avoid writing apps for iOS or not.
corresation 13y ago
Gruber seems to have moderated somewhat, and while he still does the snarky "winning" thing and is abnormally interested in marketshare/profits, I would not be surprised if an Android version comes later. His prior partner in spirit, Arment, however, has only entrenched more than ever in his bias.