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You are. Why don't you move? Metaphorically speaking, don't be Steve Jobs in Syria, be Steve Jobs in the USA.

vinceguidry 13y ago
I got a call from a poor recruiter in Chattanooga, TN trying to fill a Rails job. Seemed to be getting a little desperate. Being in Atlanta, I have no trouble finding stuff right here. When he tried to punk me by saying, "Well, if you have roots I can understand," with a tone like I'm hurting my career prospects by not being willing to move, I asked, "Well, just for kicks, what kind of compensation is being offered here?" When he said $60-70K I almost laughed in his face. "Yeah that's not nearly enough to get me to move. Oh well, good luck!" You don't have to be in a startup hub to find work, just willing to move somewhere. That makes you much more marketable.
- gte910h 13y ago
  Yeah, I feel a bit bad for the recruiters trying to get senior/lead level guys for "fresh from GT CS program" wages. Or trying to hire iOS devs for $50 an hour.
  - BerislavLopac 13y ago
    I know a lot of (iOS and other) developers who would kill for a chance to work for $50 an hour...
    - vinceguidry 13y ago
      I do believe the GP is talking about freelance work, not full time jobs. $50 an hour 40 hours a week is $100K/year, freelancing, that's a pittance.
      - BerislavLopac 13y ago
        I'm talking about freelance developers too. The usual rate here is extremely rarely over $35 (for clients in the US).
    - gte910h 13y ago
      I was referring to freelance, where that works out to about 35k a year.
    - gte910h 13y ago
      I was referring to freelance, where that works out to about 35k a year.
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BerislavLopac 13y ago
I'm curious, what makes you think that moving would help?
- guard-of-terra 13y ago
  Why would moving from place where your job is in low-to-medium income range to place where the same job will be in decent-to-high income range help? For starters, you'll have more money.
  - BerislavLopac 13y ago
    Yeah, I have worded my question poorly, but the problem here is that simply moving is sometimes so difficult that it barely remains an option. One important reason for that is that a lot of people who have enough skills and experience to be able to find a much better job elsewhere simply are not allowed -- or face extreme obstacles -- to move to that elsewhere. Visas, work permits, relocation expenses and other issues pile up quickly. Adding to that other factors like age, family, lack of network in the new place (which is crucial when finding a job) etc, and you will see a quite different issue than you might be used to in terms of relocation.

I got a call from a poor recruiter in Chattanooga, TN trying to fill a Rails job. Seemed to be getting a little desperate. Being in Atlanta, I have no trouble finding stuff right here. When he tried to punk me by saying, "Well, if you have roots I can understand," with a tone like I'm hurting my career prospects by not being willing to move, I asked, "Well, just for kicks, what kind of compensation is being offered here?" When he said $60-70K I almost laughed in his face. "Yeah that's not nearly enough to get me to move. Oh well, good luck!" You don't have to be in a startup hub to find work, just willing to move somewhere. That makes you much more marketable.

gte910h 13y ago
Yeah, I feel a bit bad for the recruiters trying to get senior/lead level guys for "fresh from GT CS program" wages. Or trying to hire iOS devs for $50 an hour.
- BerislavLopac 13y ago
  I know a lot of (iOS and other) developers who would kill for a chance to work for $50 an hour...
  - vinceguidry 13y ago
    I do believe the GP is talking about freelance work, not full time jobs. $50 an hour 40 hours a week is $100K/year, freelancing, that's a pittance.
    - BerislavLopac 13y ago
      I'm talking about freelance developers too. The usual rate here is extremely rarely over $35 (for clients in the US).
  - gte910h 13y ago
    I was referring to freelance, where that works out to about 35k a year.
  - gte910h 13y ago
    I was referring to freelance, where that works out to about 35k a year.
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BerislavLopac 13y ago

I'm curious, what makes you think that moving would help?

guard-of-terra 13y ago
Why would moving from place where your job is in low-to-medium income range to place where the same job will be in decent-to-high income range help? For starters, you'll have more money.
- BerislavLopac 13y ago
  Yeah, I have worded my question poorly, but the problem here is that simply moving is sometimes so difficult that it barely remains an option. One important reason for that is that a lot of people who have enough skills and experience to be able to find a much better job elsewhere simply are not allowed -- or face extreme obstacles -- to move to that elsewhere. Visas, work permits, relocation expenses and other issues pile up quickly. Adding to that other factors like age, family, lack of network in the new place (which is crucial when finding a job) etc, and you will see a quite different issue than you might be used to in terms of relocation.