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> I hate to use this tone but, so be it. Maybe now you morons who continue to vote in the pieces of shit into our government who are bent on taking more and mor

> I hate to use this tone but, so be it. Maybe now you morons who continue to vote in the pieces of shit into our government who are bent on taking more and more power for themselves will wake up and figure it out? How much more proof do you need? Does this make you angry yet or is Obama still your diety? Oh, and Republicans don't get a pass either. > The point is that all of you morons voting like robots along party lines are destroying my country, from the inside, one fucking vote at a time. And it is sad. And it is painful. And it is almost unbearable to watch. You are destroying what this country is supposed to be about and turning it into something our children will have to suffer with. I'm sorry but this is a load of crap. The US gov't at all levels has always suffered from this problem due to the way it is structured. Blaming individual people for not participating in that system the way you think they should is completely unhelpful and puts the blame in the wrong place. > Terrorists won. You morons saw to it. Our way of life is, in many ways, unrecognizable from what it was before 9/11. This is not true. Although some policies and attitudes have changed since 9/11, US society has not fundamentally changed and the major problems pre-9/11 are the same post-9/11. > When are you going to understand that a conservative Libertarian (as opposed to extreme and nearly anarchist) approach is the only path to recovery? Ultra limited government. They are OUR servants, we are not their property. They need to get the fuck out of our lives, homes, businesses, bedrooms, schools and more. I find it funny that you slight anarchism here while claiming that a different type of political candidate is all that is needed to change society. Limited government isn't just about reduced budgets and programs, but removing the bureaucratic and hierarchical elements of government. Further, if you feel that existing political parties all are contributing to the problem, picking a different party isn't going to change anything. > Time to take it back. Peacefully. Vote with intelligence. Email. Write letters. Make calls. Let them know who they work for. Reboot the system. This isn't rebooting the system, this is how most people interact with and solicit the government already.

darkarmani 13y ago
> This is not true. Although some policies and attitudes have changed since 9/11, US society has not fundamentally changed and the major problems pre-9/11 are the same post-9/11. We have way more problems after 9-11. We've invented more problems, starting with the TSA that nudiescans and molests people -- the Patriot act, spying on Americans, other fear mongering.
- crusso 13y ago
  I've noticed that some people have a certain color blindness when it comes to these security/privacy issues. They just don't see them or "get" them. No amount of increased government intrusion would affect them unless it happens to them very personally and viscerally. Even after a dramatic event, it's unlikely that they'll realize that they willingly walked all the steps to get to the point where they were suddenly and massively violated by the State. They'll look to blame other factors that they weren't responsible for supporting. Such is psychology.
- king_jester 13y ago
  The US gov't has always engaged in the practices you mention against the people, although this has expanded since 9/11. The point is that this behavior isn't fundamentally different from past policies and doesn't represent a major change in the how the US operates (obviously this is a problem).
  - darkarmani 13y ago
    > The US gov't has always engaged in the practices you mention against the people, although this has expanded since 9/11. Whoa! There used to be executive orders prohibiting assassination. There also used to be a prohibition on the CIA spying domestically. They had to pass a law that retroactively made it legal for the Telcos to hand over call data. Torture wasn't legal until Bush Jr. Things have fundamentally changed.

darkarmani 13y ago

> This is not true. Although some policies and attitudes have changed since 9/11, US society has not fundamentally changed and the major problems pre-9/11 are the same post-9/11. We have way more problems after 9-11. We've invented more problems, starting with the TSA that nudiescans and molests people -- the Patriot act, spying on Americans, other fear mongering.

crusso 13y ago
I've noticed that some people have a certain color blindness when it comes to these security/privacy issues. They just don't see them or "get" them. No amount of increased government intrusion would affect them unless it happens to them very personally and viscerally. Even after a dramatic event, it's unlikely that they'll realize that they willingly walked all the steps to get to the point where they were suddenly and massively violated by the State. They'll look to blame other factors that they weren't responsible for supporting. Such is psychology.
king_jester 13y ago
The US gov't has always engaged in the practices you mention against the people, although this has expanded since 9/11. The point is that this behavior isn't fundamentally different from past policies and doesn't represent a major change in the how the US operates (obviously this is a problem).
- darkarmani 13y ago
  > The US gov't has always engaged in the practices you mention against the people, although this has expanded since 9/11. Whoa! There used to be executive orders prohibiting assassination. There also used to be a prohibition on the CIA spying domestically. They had to pass a law that retroactively made it legal for the Telcos to hand over call data. Torture wasn't legal until Bush Jr. Things have fundamentally changed.