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Because an ISP should be dumb pipe. They should only provide connectivity and not mess with people connections. Opt in is enabling. Opt out is intrusion.

KJBweb 13y ago
Here here, meddling with SMTP connections to my own servers one minute so to ensure they get sent via their own (and often blacklisted) servers, the next they're hijacking DNS and taking further measures to filter and control what I can and can't see. It's infuriating!
- andyhmltn 13y ago
  >Here here, meddling with SMTP connections to my own servers one minute I'm unaware of that, but that's a fair point. >the next they're hijacking DNS and taking further measures to filter and control what I can and can't see. It's infuriating! That's the thing: They aren't. It would only happen if you asked for it. They aren't filtering anything you don't want filtered.
  - anExcitedBeast 13y ago
    And you think that's still going to be the case in five years?
    - andyhmltn 13y ago
      Yes
      - anExcitedBeast 13y ago
        You and I should get together and make a bet. If my rights are going to be stripped away I may as well profit.
retube 13y ago
you cannot broadcast what you want on radio or television, you cannot print what you like in newspapers or magazines - there are rules and regulations governing content. why should the internet be any different?
- workbench 13y ago
  Because it isn't and shouldn't be controlled by any one governments ideas of what is right and wrong.
  - Fuxy 13y ago
    The internet is dead folks the only way it will ever be free is if we find a way of transmission of data that cannot be modified mid transit or blocked. Otherwise you will eventually only be able to read what other people want you to read.
    - jiggy2011 13y ago
      SSL can prevent modification mid transit, of course you can still technically be MITMd if your ISP gets issued a cert which is valid for every domain but this would be detectable. You can circumvent blocking with proxies/VPN, your ISP would have to block all proxy/VPN services to prevent this.
- venomsnake 13y ago
  But I can say what I want on the telephone and write it in a mail. Internet is point to point bi-directional communication. It is not broadcasting.
  - retube 13y ago
    Umm.. that is precisely what it is! TCP/IP maybe directionally agnostic, but application layer protocols vary. HTTP for example is very much a broadcast protocol.
    - 13y ago

KJBweb 13y ago

Here here, meddling with SMTP connections to my own servers one minute so to ensure they get sent via their own (and often blacklisted) servers, the next they're hijacking DNS and taking further measures to filter and control what I can and can't see. It's infuriating!

andyhmltn 13y ago
>Here here, meddling with SMTP connections to my own servers one minute I'm unaware of that, but that's a fair point. >the next they're hijacking DNS and taking further measures to filter and control what I can and can't see. It's infuriating! That's the thing: They aren't. It would only happen if you asked for it. They aren't filtering anything you don't want filtered.
- anExcitedBeast 13y ago
  And you think that's still going to be the case in five years?
  - andyhmltn 13y ago
    Yes
    - anExcitedBeast 13y ago
      You and I should get together and make a bet. If my rights are going to be stripped away I may as well profit.

retube 13y ago

you cannot broadcast what you want on radio or television, you cannot print what you like in newspapers or magazines - there are rules and regulations governing content. why should the internet be any different?

workbench 13y ago
Because it isn't and shouldn't be controlled by any one governments ideas of what is right and wrong.
- Fuxy 13y ago
  The internet is dead folks the only way it will ever be free is if we find a way of transmission of data that cannot be modified mid transit or blocked. Otherwise you will eventually only be able to read what other people want you to read.
  - jiggy2011 13y ago
    SSL can prevent modification mid transit, of course you can still technically be MITMd if your ISP gets issued a cert which is valid for every domain but this would be detectable. You can circumvent blocking with proxies/VPN, your ISP would have to block all proxy/VPN services to prevent this.
venomsnake 13y ago
But I can say what I want on the telephone and write it in a mail. Internet is point to point bi-directional communication. It is not broadcasting.
- retube 13y ago
  Umm.. that is precisely what it is! TCP/IP maybe directionally agnostic, but application layer protocols vary. HTTP for example is very much a broadcast protocol.
  - 13y ago