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Yes it is impossible to completely block the distribution of such content, and yes maybe this is a particularly weak solution. But that doesn't mean that this o

by retube 13y ago

Yes it is impossible to completely block the distribution of such content, and yes maybe this is a particularly weak solution. But that doesn't mean that this or simialr efforts should not be made: they will reduce the ease of availability which will cut down exposure to this type of material. I actually believe that all pornography should be behind a paywall, and any which is not is blocked (somehow). And no I am not abdicating responsibily of my children to the state - they still need to be taught responsible online behaviour - as I agree above such material will always be available for those who make the effort to circumvent restrictions. We don't not lock our houses because someone can still break in - but it dramatically cuts down on such attempts (and we still educate our children on why breaking into other peoples homes is a bad thing to do).

jiggy2011 13y ago
Why should it all be behind a paywall? And how would one define pornography? If I decide to post some naked pictures of myself online should I have to start processing credit cards and treating it as a business?
yarrel 13y ago
These efforts should not be made because quite apart from being immoral in themselves they are ineffective and have negative side effects.
andyhmltn 13y ago
>I actually believe that all pornography should be behind a paywall That's absurd! Really? Cutting off huge portions of the internet for 'safety' is both wrong and impossible. That's the beauty of the web: Nobody decides 'what gets put up' and what doesn't. Guess what would happen if a country implemented such a thing? People would just use international sites as many do already.
- retube 13y ago
  You do not justify why it's wrong? And as I said in my OP, yes it is impossible, but some measures will cut exposure.
  - andyhmltn 13y ago
    Because we aren't 5. You may be okay with being treated like a child by your government but the majority of people here aren't.
Zirro 13y ago
While it is likely to be because I come from a country/culture where porn isn't considered to be an issue, I would appreciate an explanation as to why "cut[ting] down exposure to this type of material" is desirable at all. When kids decide that they are mature enough to consume such content, I don't think it should be turned into a controversy. Personally, I decided to wait until I was seventeen to explore that part of the web, as I matured fairly late. I never "stumbled upon" sexual content by accident, despite making heavy use of the Internet. If people, regardless of age, are looking for sexual content they will find it. If they want to avoid it on the other hand, "accidental exposure" shouldn't be an issue either. There is no need to police the Internet.
lucian1900 13y ago
Why? There's absolutely nothing wrong with porn.
- retube 13y ago
  It depends on the porn. Much at the harder and violent ends of the spectrum portray a very demeaning attitude to women. That i would argue _is_ wrong, particulat if, as many studies are begiining to show, it is gravely distorting young people's attitudes to women and theur understanding of sex. Most women, for example, don't want to have their faces spunked on by 10 guys simultaneously.
m0nty 13y ago
> all pornography should be behind a paywall You mean this? http://uploads0.wikipaintings.org/images/henri-de-toulouse-lautrec/the-medical-inspection.jpg http://uploads0.wikipaintings.org/images/henri-de-toulouse-l... Or this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Gustav_Klimt_010.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Gustav_Kl... This is particularly naughty, ought to be censored: > Yet she multiplied her prostitutions, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted on their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. Thus you called to remembrance the lewdness of your youth, in bruising your teats by the Egyptians for the breasts of your youth.
- retube 13y ago
  No, you are being deliberately obtuse. I am talking about material available on the tubes etc.
  - m0nty 13y ago
    No, I'm not. Those pictures are sexually explicit and should be censored. The text I quoted is not suitable for children and should be removed.
rainforest 13y ago
The burglary analogy rests on the assumption that we must leave the house unattended - it doesn't carry over to children surfing the net. No filter will work reliably enough to allow worry-free unsupervised access. Making porn harder to find might just make people look harder. Consider the implications of every young child downloading Tor and checking out the services their parents think don't exist or are blocked.

by retube 13y ago

jiggy2011 13y ago

Why should it all be behind a paywall? And how would one define pornography? If I decide to post some naked pictures of myself online should I have to start processing credit cards and treating it as a business?

yarrel 13y ago

These efforts should not be made because quite apart from being immoral in themselves they are ineffective and have negative side effects.

andyhmltn 13y ago

>I actually believe that all pornography should be behind a paywall That's absurd! Really? Cutting off huge portions of the internet for 'safety' is both wrong and impossible. That's the beauty of the web: Nobody decides 'what gets put up' and what doesn't. Guess what would happen if a country implemented such a thing? People would just use international sites as many do already.

retube 13y ago
You do not justify why it's wrong? And as I said in my OP, yes it is impossible, but some measures will cut exposure.
- andyhmltn 13y ago
  Because we aren't 5. You may be okay with being treated like a child by your government but the majority of people here aren't.

Zirro 13y ago

While it is likely to be because I come from a country/culture where porn isn't considered to be an issue, I would appreciate an explanation as to why "cut[ting] down exposure to this type of material" is desirable at all. When kids decide that they are mature enough to consume such content, I don't think it should be turned into a controversy. Personally, I decided to wait until I was seventeen to explore that part of the web, as I matured fairly late. I never "stumbled upon" sexual content by accident, despite making heavy use of the Internet. If people, regardless of age, are looking for sexual content they will find it. If they want to avoid it on the other hand, "accidental exposure" shouldn't be an issue either. There is no need to police the Internet.

lucian1900 13y ago

Why? There's absolutely nothing wrong with porn.

retube 13y ago
It depends on the porn. Much at the harder and violent ends of the spectrum portray a very demeaning attitude to women. That i would argue _is_ wrong, particulat if, as many studies are begiining to show, it is gravely distorting young people's attitudes to women and theur understanding of sex. Most women, for example, don't want to have their faces spunked on by 10 guys simultaneously.

m0nty 13y ago

> all pornography should be behind a paywall You mean this? http://uploads0.wikipaintings.org/images/henri-de-toulouse-lautrec/the-medical-inspection.jpg http://uploads0.wikipaintings.org/images/henri-de-toulouse-l... Or this? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Gustav_Klimt_010.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Gustav_Kl... This is particularly naughty, ought to be censored: > Yet she multiplied her prostitutions, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt. For she doted on their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. Thus you called to remembrance the lewdness of your youth, in bruising your teats by the Egyptians for the breasts of your youth.

retube 13y ago
No, you are being deliberately obtuse. I am talking about material available on the tubes etc.
- m0nty 13y ago
  No, I'm not. Those pictures are sexually explicit and should be censored. The text I quoted is not suitable for children and should be removed.

rainforest 13y ago

The burglary analogy rests on the assumption that we must leave the house unattended - it doesn't carry over to children surfing the net. No filter will work reliably enough to allow worry-free unsupervised access. Making porn harder to find might just make people look harder. Consider the implications of every young child downloading Tor and checking out the services their parents think don't exist or are blocked.