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What I mean is that most of intelligence intelligence is a habit cultivated by attitude rather than limited by an inborn capacity. This doesn't mean there isn'

What I mean is that most of intelligence intelligence is a habit cultivated by attitude rather than limited by an inborn capacity. This doesn't mean there isn't a basic shape given by innate aspects (at least for some people), but that most of what we'd call intelligence is developed rather than inborn.

Nursie 13y ago
I would be interested to see any research you have seen that points in that direction. I think that people are more restricted by hardware capabilities than you like to imagine. That said, I asked what you meant by 'greater than' because I don't believe that raw intelligence always translates to success at life, whatever that may mean.
- einhverfr 13y ago
  Well, at some point software affects hardware though regarding our brain. Could Sapir or Chomsky have been great linguists if they only had one native language and learned the other languages at, say, the age of 10?
  - Nursie 13y ago
    That's true, there is definitely environmental feedback involved. However people can grow up in the same environment, with the same access to learning, and have very different outcomes.
    - einhverfr 13y ago
      You are assuming that most people fulfil their potential. As I mentioned on another post the way I look at it is that we are granted a "fated" potential that we must strive to reach. I don't think most people do this effectively.
      - Nursie 13y ago
        >>You are assuming that most people fulfil their potential. No, I'm really not, I'm saying that people have different levels of intelligence and you can see this as they come out differently from the same environment. You seem to have a rosy view of everybody as smart and equally capable if they just jolly-well gave it a go. This is just not the case.
        einhverfr 13y ago
        > You seem to have a rosy view of everybody as smart and equally capable if they just jolly-well gave it a go. This is just not the case. No, I just think most people could be quite a bit more smart than they are. That does not imply equal potential.

Nursie 13y ago

I would be interested to see any research you have seen that points in that direction. I think that people are more restricted by hardware capabilities than you like to imagine. That said, I asked what you meant by 'greater than' because I don't believe that raw intelligence always translates to success at life, whatever that may mean.

einhverfr 13y ago
Well, at some point software affects hardware though regarding our brain. Could Sapir or Chomsky have been great linguists if they only had one native language and learned the other languages at, say, the age of 10?
- Nursie 13y ago
  That's true, there is definitely environmental feedback involved. However people can grow up in the same environment, with the same access to learning, and have very different outcomes.
  - einhverfr 13y ago
    You are assuming that most people fulfil their potential. As I mentioned on another post the way I look at it is that we are granted a "fated" potential that we must strive to reach. I don't think most people do this effectively.
    - Nursie 13y ago
      >>You are assuming that most people fulfil their potential. No, I'm really not, I'm saying that people have different levels of intelligence and you can see this as they come out differently from the same environment. You seem to have a rosy view of everybody as smart and equally capable if they just jolly-well gave it a go. This is just not the case.
      - einhverfr 13y ago
        > You seem to have a rosy view of everybody as smart and equally capable if they just jolly-well gave it a go. This is just not the case. No, I just think most people could be quite a bit more smart than they are. That does not imply equal potential.