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You're right, you can buy the one-time cards and they won't be able to track you. But for regular travellers like myself those one-time cards are much more expe

You're right, you can buy the one-time cards and they won't be able to track you. But for regular travellers like myself those one-time cards are much more expensive than the ones linked to your bank account. Not to mention the hassle of having to buy a new card every day...

dekz 13y ago
Oh I agree, but privacy isn't always convenient. I'm currently sitting in your country (weather is nice), but these comments do scare me a little. I'm travelling through many countries and really haven't taken into account the local customs when it comes to online activity. There are VPS' available from resellers like Digital Ocean, are they required to also comply to the above?
- arianvanp 13y ago
  Yes and no. VPS' providers under Europeaian juridistiction will have to collect and store all the information of their customers (emails, telephone calls) but if you're an American customer to a Europian VPS provider and you host an email-server on that VPS, you aren't forced to save that data for use by the europeian countries.
drostie 13y ago
That hassle can in principle be totally mitigated. When you buy an OV-Chipkaart from a service desk (like an NS desk at a train station), they will not only charge you the 15€ (or whatever) fee, but they will also ask you how much you want to use to load the card. You can pay cash at such a desk. You could probably also use those desks to reload the OV-Chipkaart with cash, but I've never tried that.
- marchdown 13y ago
  You can do that, I tried.
- Cthulhu_ 13y ago
  > You could probably also use those desks to reload the OV-Chipkaart with cash, but I've never tried that. You should be able to, especially the older generation has trouble with modern payment systems and (perhaps rightfully so) mistrust paying stuff by card.
ErikGelderblom 13y ago
http://www.nu.nl/tech/3493455/hack-ov-chipkaart-met-sticker-en-app.html http://www.nu.nl/tech/3493455/hack-ov-chipkaart-met-sticker-... Not for long ;)

dekz 13y ago

Oh I agree, but privacy isn't always convenient. I'm currently sitting in your country (weather is nice), but these comments do scare me a little. I'm travelling through many countries and really haven't taken into account the local customs when it comes to online activity. There are VPS' available from resellers like Digital Ocean, are they required to also comply to the above?

arianvanp 13y ago
Yes and no. VPS' providers under Europeaian juridistiction will have to collect and store all the information of their customers (emails, telephone calls) but if you're an American customer to a Europian VPS provider and you host an email-server on that VPS, you aren't forced to save that data for use by the europeian countries.

drostie 13y ago

That hassle can in principle be totally mitigated. When you buy an OV-Chipkaart from a service desk (like an NS desk at a train station), they will not only charge you the 15€ (or whatever) fee, but they will also ask you how much you want to use to load the card. You can pay cash at such a desk. You could probably also use those desks to reload the OV-Chipkaart with cash, but I've never tried that.

marchdown 13y ago
You can do that, I tried.
Cthulhu_ 13y ago
> You could probably also use those desks to reload the OV-Chipkaart with cash, but I've never tried that. You should be able to, especially the older generation has trouble with modern payment systems and (perhaps rightfully so) mistrust paying stuff by card.

ErikGelderblom 13y ago

http://www.nu.nl/tech/3493455/hack-ov-chipkaart-met-sticker-en-app.html http://www.nu.nl/tech/3493455/hack-ov-chipkaart-met-sticker-... Not for long ;)