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I have pictures of my son and daughter taking baths together. My daughter often takes her clothes off when she's swimming or playing in the sprinkler or, hell,

by deelowe 13y ago

I have pictures of my son and daughter taking baths together. My daughter often takes her clothes off when she's swimming or playing in the sprinkler or, hell, just whenever she finds it funny. My son thinks it's funny to pee i the yard. Some of these instances have ended up in pictures and video. Do these make me a pedo? What about similar pictures my in laws have taken? What about pictures of my young nieces and nephews doing similar things? Additionally, have you been around kids in bathing suits? Sometimes the ones for little girls don't fit too well. There aren't exactly many curves to hold things in position at that age. What about accidental pictures of those mishaps? I bring all this up, because this is precisely the type scenario depicted in the article. This isn't a pedophile. This is a family taking pictures of normal family stuff. And let's not forget the consequences of just being charged with child porn much less a conviction. This whole government infatuation with pedophilia is absurd and nothing more than a convenient distraction to push ever more draconian agendas.

betterunix 13y ago
Things used to be really bad in America, back in the 80s and early 90s. In a lot of places, people simply assumed that if a child claimed they were sexually abused and gave details of the abuse, then the child must have been abused. There was little understanding that children are easily coached and eager to please adults, and police questioning methods often led children to accused people of crimes that never happened. Thousands of men and women were thrown in prison (many remain in prison) because of such dubious testimony. Even more bizarre were the later years of that hysteria, when people were accused of engaging in complex rituals involving child sex abuse, animal sacrifice (or human sacrifice), and satanic worship. It was an actual witch hunt, in an advanced, industrialized society. The moral panic cooled down once attorneys general started investigating the DAs cases, psychologists began pointing out the flawed methodology used to question the children, and people generally started realizing just how crazy things had become. Unfortunately, the hysteria is not over, it is just a bit less ridiculous than it was 20 years ago.
maqr 13y ago
I don't have children, but this is my understanding: > Do these make me a pedo? In the eyes of the law, likely. > What about similar pictures my in laws have taken? Yes, it's not advisable to take these kind of pictures. > What about pictures of my young nieces and nephews doing similar things? Yes, if there's nudity. > Additionally, have you been around kids in bathing suits? Not a problem. > Sometimes the ones for little girls don't fit too well. There aren't exactly many curves to hold things in position at that age. What about accidental pictures of those mishaps? Don't take pictures of kids in bathing suits. Pretty much the rule is don't be around kids and don't touch kids unless they're yours, and I think everybody knows this today. And as a global rule, don't take pictures of kids at all, but especially avoid any that could involve any type of nudity, intentional or accidental (I'd avoid bathing suit shots for sure). There might be a greater societal harm being done here, because as a male in my 20s, I have almost no interaction with children (which I think is fairly typical, at least among my peers). This could be a problem for my generation, as we're less likely to know how to handle kids; and it could be a problem for the younger generations as they don't get to interact with many adults besides their immediate family and friends. Either way, I think the societal rules about what's ok and what's not ok are reasonably well defined, if very arbitrary.
- deelowe 13y ago
  These are not reasonable at all. > Don't take pictures of kids in bathing suits. That's absolutely ridiculous.
- darkarmani 13y ago
  > Don't take pictures of kids in bathing suits. So basically, don't take pictures of your kids in the summer. This is insane. With my kids and their cousins, we have 6 kids in the 0-8 year old bracket. The 1-3 year old kids all take baths together when we get together and they run around in their diapers (topless - omfg!). These are wonderful years for all of us (the glee they have running around together in diapers and through sprinklers). Not capturing these memories should be the crime.
- vxNsr 13y ago
  I hope you're not being serious, >Pretty much the rule is don't be around kids and don't touch kids unless they're yours, and I think everybody knows this today. And as a global rule, don't take pictures of kids at all, but especially avoid any that could involve any type of nudity, intentional or accidental (I'd avoid bathing suit shots for sure). This seems kinda extreme, like not using electricity because of a potential fire hazard. I pick up my friend's kids, I read to them, they climb over me, I find it incredibly offensive that you assume I'm a child molester because I've held a child that didn't come out of my wife's uterus.
kaybe 13y ago
The mandatory bathing suit thing in the US for girls under a certain age (lets say 5) is quite funny from a European viewpoint. It's not like you can tell which gender the kid is anyway (unless intentional). It's very normal here to dress your kid of either gender in just the pants or nothing at all (when they're very small) - no problem.

by deelowe 13y ago

betterunix 13y ago

Things used to be really bad in America, back in the 80s and early 90s. In a lot of places, people simply assumed that if a child claimed they were sexually abused and gave details of the abuse, then the child must have been abused. There was little understanding that children are easily coached and eager to please adults, and police questioning methods often led children to accused people of crimes that never happened. Thousands of men and women were thrown in prison (many remain in prison) because of such dubious testimony. Even more bizarre were the later years of that hysteria, when people were accused of engaging in complex rituals involving child sex abuse, animal sacrifice (or human sacrifice), and satanic worship. It was an actual witch hunt, in an advanced, industrialized society. The moral panic cooled down once attorneys general started investigating the DAs cases, psychologists began pointing out the flawed methodology used to question the children, and people generally started realizing just how crazy things had become. Unfortunately, the hysteria is not over, it is just a bit less ridiculous than it was 20 years ago.

maqr 13y ago

I don't have children, but this is my understanding: > Do these make me a pedo? In the eyes of the law, likely. > What about similar pictures my in laws have taken? Yes, it's not advisable to take these kind of pictures. > What about pictures of my young nieces and nephews doing similar things? Yes, if there's nudity. > Additionally, have you been around kids in bathing suits? Not a problem. > Sometimes the ones for little girls don't fit too well. There aren't exactly many curves to hold things in position at that age. What about accidental pictures of those mishaps? Don't take pictures of kids in bathing suits. Pretty much the rule is don't be around kids and don't touch kids unless they're yours, and I think everybody knows this today. And as a global rule, don't take pictures of kids at all, but especially avoid any that could involve any type of nudity, intentional or accidental (I'd avoid bathing suit shots for sure). There might be a greater societal harm being done here, because as a male in my 20s, I have almost no interaction with children (which I think is fairly typical, at least among my peers). This could be a problem for my generation, as we're less likely to know how to handle kids; and it could be a problem for the younger generations as they don't get to interact with many adults besides their immediate family and friends. Either way, I think the societal rules about what's ok and what's not ok are reasonably well defined, if very arbitrary.

deelowe 13y ago
These are not reasonable at all. > Don't take pictures of kids in bathing suits. That's absolutely ridiculous.
darkarmani 13y ago
> Don't take pictures of kids in bathing suits. So basically, don't take pictures of your kids in the summer. This is insane. With my kids and their cousins, we have 6 kids in the 0-8 year old bracket. The 1-3 year old kids all take baths together when we get together and they run around in their diapers (topless - omfg!). These are wonderful years for all of us (the glee they have running around together in diapers and through sprinklers). Not capturing these memories should be the crime.
vxNsr 13y ago
I hope you're not being serious, >Pretty much the rule is don't be around kids and don't touch kids unless they're yours, and I think everybody knows this today. And as a global rule, don't take pictures of kids at all, but especially avoid any that could involve any type of nudity, intentional or accidental (I'd avoid bathing suit shots for sure). This seems kinda extreme, like not using electricity because of a potential fire hazard. I pick up my friend's kids, I read to them, they climb over me, I find it incredibly offensive that you assume I'm a child molester because I've held a child that didn't come out of my wife's uterus.

kaybe 13y ago

The mandatory bathing suit thing in the US for girls under a certain age (lets say 5) is quite funny from a European viewpoint. It's not like you can tell which gender the kid is anyway (unless intentional). It's very normal here to dress your kid of either gender in just the pants or nothing at all (when they're very small) - no problem.