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I never understood why all the paranoia with pedo... Have you ever been close to someone who suffered from the aftermath of sexual abuse, especially as a child

I never understood why all the paranoia with pedo... Have you ever been close to someone who suffered from the aftermath of sexual abuse, especially as a child? It is not pretty. Pedophiles are are a sociopathic rot, and should be treated as the worthless dangerous filth that they are. I'd feel worse stepping on a spider than I would putting a bullet in a child pornographer. But... teenagers having sex with each other is not pedophelia. It may be stupid, but it's not abusive. Edit: by pedophile, I mean someone who has acted on their urges or intends to do so. Someone who can control themselves is worthy of compassion. Those who will not are worthy of nothing in my eyes.

Falling3 13y ago
>Pedophiles are are a sociopathic rot, and should be treated as the worthless dangerous filth that they are. I'd feel worse stepping on a spider than I would putting a bullet in a child pornographer. No, pedophiles are regular humans suffering from a terrible mental disorder. They are no less deserving of compassion and respect. A child molester or someone who has otherwise abused a child is more deserving of your vitriol. The two are not necessarily the same and we need to stop acting like they are. Last I checked, thoughtcrime was a bad idea.
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- pyre 13y ago
  | Last I checked, thoughtcrime was a bad idea. No, no. It's ok so long as it's against thoughts that I personally disagree with. It's only wrong when the thoughts are ones that I agree with. </sarcasm>
- anonymoushn 13y ago
  It's not generally polite to refer to a sexual orientation as a terrible mental disorder.
  - lotyrin 13y ago
    Except when it is... I can't imagine having a compulsion as core as sexual desire which you can't satisfy without horribly damaging another person is anything but terrifying.
    - ANTSANTS 13y ago
      Perhaps "fetish" or "fantasy" would have been a better way to describe it. Plenty of people have fetishes ranging from the distasteful (rape, both from the perspective of the rapist and the victim, cuckolding, etc) to the absolutely bizarre (inflation? transformation? vore? what the fuck, who comes up with this shit?) that they have absolutely no desire to participate in in reality. It exists purely as fantasy for them, never admitted to anyone but strangers on the internet or perhaps a very accepting (or similarly deviant) partner. Of course this is the case. You don't hear stories about strange men chasing people down with bicycle pumps, do you? In other words, it's almost as if the average person understands the line between fantasy and reality! What a relief, maybe they aren't all ticking time bombs after all.
      - pyre 13y ago
        | In other words, it's almost as if the average | person understands the line between fantasy | and reality! Then why must these fantasies be hidden in the closet? Do you honestly believe that there wouldn't be a lynch mob if someone admitted to fantasizing about children (but had no intention to ever act on it)?
        ANTSANTS 13y ago
        Ok, let me rephrase that: In other words, it's almost as if the average pervert understands the line between fantasy and reality!
corin_ 13y ago
> Pedophiles are are a sociopathic rot, and should be treated as the worthless dangerous filth that they are. I'd feel worse stepping on a spider than I would putting a bullet in a child pornographer. I think the biggest issue is that people see such a black and white division between "good" and "bad". Firstly, there's the fact that general scientific consensus is that paedophilia is not something they can control, all they can control is their urges. And then, those who do act on their urges, there are still many levels. Consider... - Paedophile who never acts on attraction to children - Paedophile who looks at non-nude legal photos of children - Paedophile who looks at cartoon child pornography - Paedophile who looks at nude / suggestive child pornography - Paedophile who looks at hard core child pornography - Paedophile who makes nude / suggestive CP - Paedophile who makes hard core CP - Paedophile who has a relationship with a 15yo who consents - Paedophile who has a relationship with a 15yo who doesn't consent - Paedophile who has a relationship with a 6yo who consents (** SEE DISCLAIMER) - Paedophile who has a relationship with a 6yo who doesn't consent PLEASE note that I am not suggesting a 6yo can ever properly "consent", nor am I saying this relationship would ever be an OK thing. But I still presume that there's a difference between a young child who doesn't know any better, v.s a young child who is being forced to do something they hate. So yes, I'm with you about child pornographers (well I wouldn't personally shoot them.. but no problem with strong laws against them), but I think there are many shades of paedophile, from "not their fault and they do nothing wrong" all the way down to "scum of the earth". edit to respond to your edit: So you're happy drawing a straight line and place it between "done nothing" and "done something"? Does your moral code line up with the law? If so in which country? Are the following consensual relationships OK or not OK: 16+15, 16+14, 16+13, 18+15, 18+13, 21+15, 21+13, 40+15, 40+13....
- damoncali 13y ago
  If there is abuse of a child occurring, it is a particularly egregious form of it, and it should be dealt with harshly. Watching cartoons, although disturbing, is not abusing anyone. Making or watching any form of actual kiddie porn is over the the line. I don't think teenagers making out with each other is abusive, and it admittedly gets grey when you have gown men (lets be honest, it's mostly men we're talking about but that is irrelevant) in relationships with teenagers. If I had to draw a line, it would be at 16, with an exception for age + 5 years or something along those lines that goes in the spirit of preventing abuse of children. It is not too much to ask a grown adult to control themselves around a 15 year old.
fchollet 13y ago
>> "Pedophiles are are a sociopathic rot, and should be treated as the worthless dangerous filth that they are. I'd feel worse stepping on a spider than I would putting a bullet in a child pornographer." Who's the sociopathic rot now...? Well at least statements like that clarify whether the witch hunters are taking their stance because they're fighting for human rights and the alleviating of people's suffering, or whether their stance if merely about feeling good about themselves.

Falling3 13y ago

>Pedophiles are are a sociopathic rot, and should be treated as the worthless dangerous filth that they are. I'd feel worse stepping on a spider than I would putting a bullet in a child pornographer. No, pedophiles are regular humans suffering from a terrible mental disorder. They are no less deserving of compassion and respect. A child molester or someone who has otherwise abused a child is more deserving of your vitriol. The two are not necessarily the same and we need to stop acting like they are. Last I checked, thoughtcrime was a bad idea.

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pyre 13y ago
| Last I checked, thoughtcrime was a bad idea. No, no. It's ok so long as it's against thoughts that I personally disagree with. It's only wrong when the thoughts are ones that I agree with. </sarcasm>
anonymoushn 13y ago
It's not generally polite to refer to a sexual orientation as a terrible mental disorder.
- lotyrin 13y ago
  Except when it is... I can't imagine having a compulsion as core as sexual desire which you can't satisfy without horribly damaging another person is anything but terrifying.
  - ANTSANTS 13y ago
    Perhaps "fetish" or "fantasy" would have been a better way to describe it. Plenty of people have fetishes ranging from the distasteful (rape, both from the perspective of the rapist and the victim, cuckolding, etc) to the absolutely bizarre (inflation? transformation? vore? what the fuck, who comes up with this shit?) that they have absolutely no desire to participate in in reality. It exists purely as fantasy for them, never admitted to anyone but strangers on the internet or perhaps a very accepting (or similarly deviant) partner. Of course this is the case. You don't hear stories about strange men chasing people down with bicycle pumps, do you? In other words, it's almost as if the average person understands the line between fantasy and reality! What a relief, maybe they aren't all ticking time bombs after all.
    - pyre 13y ago
      | In other words, it's almost as if the average | person understands the line between fantasy | and reality! Then why must these fantasies be hidden in the closet? Do you honestly believe that there wouldn't be a lynch mob if someone admitted to fantasizing about children (but had no intention to ever act on it)?
      - ANTSANTS 13y ago
        Ok, let me rephrase that: In other words, it's almost as if the average pervert understands the line between fantasy and reality!

corin_ 13y ago

> Pedophiles are are a sociopathic rot, and should be treated as the worthless dangerous filth that they are. I'd feel worse stepping on a spider than I would putting a bullet in a child pornographer. I think the biggest issue is that people see such a black and white division between "good" and "bad". Firstly, there's the fact that general scientific consensus is that paedophilia is not something they can control, all they can control is their urges. And then, those who do act on their urges, there are still many levels. Consider... - Paedophile who never acts on attraction to children - Paedophile who looks at non-nude legal photos of children - Paedophile who looks at cartoon child pornography - Paedophile who looks at nude / suggestive child pornography - Paedophile who looks at hard core child pornography - Paedophile who makes nude / suggestive CP - Paedophile who makes hard core CP - Paedophile who has a relationship with a 15yo who consents - Paedophile who has a relationship with a 15yo who doesn't consent - Paedophile who has a relationship with a 6yo who consents (** SEE DISCLAIMER) - Paedophile who has a relationship with a 6yo who doesn't consent PLEASE note that I am not suggesting a 6yo can ever properly "consent", nor am I saying this relationship would ever be an OK thing. But I still presume that there's a difference between a young child who doesn't know any better, v.s a young child who is being forced to do something they hate. So yes, I'm with you about child pornographers (well I wouldn't personally shoot them.. but no problem with strong laws against them), but I think there are many shades of paedophile, from "not their fault and they do nothing wrong" all the way down to "scum of the earth". edit to respond to your edit: So you're happy drawing a straight line and place it between "done nothing" and "done something"? Does your moral code line up with the law? If so in which country? Are the following consensual relationships OK or not OK: 16+15, 16+14, 16+13, 18+15, 18+13, 21+15, 21+13, 40+15, 40+13....

damoncali 13y ago
If there is abuse of a child occurring, it is a particularly egregious form of it, and it should be dealt with harshly. Watching cartoons, although disturbing, is not abusing anyone. Making or watching any form of actual kiddie porn is over the the line. I don't think teenagers making out with each other is abusive, and it admittedly gets grey when you have gown men (lets be honest, it's mostly men we're talking about but that is irrelevant) in relationships with teenagers. If I had to draw a line, it would be at 16, with an exception for age + 5 years or something along those lines that goes in the spirit of preventing abuse of children. It is not too much to ask a grown adult to control themselves around a 15 year old.

fchollet 13y ago

>> "Pedophiles are are a sociopathic rot, and should be treated as the worthless dangerous filth that they are. I'd feel worse stepping on a spider than I would putting a bullet in a child pornographer." Who's the sociopathic rot now...? Well at least statements like that clarify whether the witch hunters are taking their stance because they're fighting for human rights and the alleviating of people's suffering, or whether their stance if merely about feeling good about themselves.