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I think "tolerate" is the interesting word. Tolerance != respect. Surely, it's better to "respect" religion, and how can I do that if I cannot challenge it? An

by flog 13y ago

I think "tolerate" is the interesting word. Tolerance != respect. Surely, it's better to "respect" religion, and how can I do that if I cannot challenge it? And then, should a non-defendable religion be tolerated?

PavlovsCat 13y ago
To respect Islam is to disrespect all those it gleefully claims roast in hell, and thought itself.
- drivebyacct2 13y ago
  ""To respect [insert basically any {generally monotheistic} religion you want] is to disrespect all those it gleefully claims roast in hell, and thought itself."" Fixed that one for you, if we're just going all in on senseless religion hate at this point.
  - PavlovsCat 13y ago
    If I say apples are fruit, you don't "fix" that by mentioning that other things are fruit, too, as if I had claimed otherwise. You're just being a needy doofus. Also, pffff. Senseless religion hate? I came to my conclusions as a believer, and I read the Quran with anticipation and hope, actually. Those were sorely disappointed, to put it mildly. My stance now is "if that's from God, God sucks and we're all fucked. If it's not, I can't wait until it goes the way of the dinosaurs." That's not hate, that's just paying attention. Not being American I don't particularly care about Christian fundamentalists. In Europe, there is ONE active religion and ONE that matters, and that's Islam. Make yourself familiar with intellectual honesty and OT, NT and Quran, and then tell me they're not documents of fascism. Whatever any person does, if God says it's evil, it's evil; whatever thing God does, no matter how much more selfish and brutal in nature, is good. It's very fucking easy to be "tolerant" about things you hardly know, or don't take seriously at all. I don't senselessly hate, I have reasons for my dislike. Are you, however, senselessly sucking up? I love thought and logic; those religions hate them. Put differently, I didn't start this; I'm just not rolling over. If you don't want beef with me, don't put a pistol to my head, and don't call me wrecking that pistol an attack. For me that's real basic, but if you only deal in feel-good slogans, it's obviously going to confuse you. Well, good riddance.
    - drivebyacct2 13y ago
      I'm sorry but I just laughed at your entire post. I'm an ardent atheist so that little diatribe was cute. There are plenty of reasons to not like religion, you didn't really bother having that discussion and instead resorted to a cheapshot driveby comment. That was what I was mocking. And yeah, there's plenty of "fascist" behavior in American Christians too. To sit there and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about... in the same breath that you say you don't know or care about US Christians is a special kind of braggard ignorance. Good riddance? I guess? I don't even know what your point against me was at this point.

by flog 13y ago

PavlovsCat 13y ago

To respect Islam is to disrespect all those it gleefully claims roast in hell, and thought itself.

drivebyacct2 13y ago
""To respect [insert basically any {generally monotheistic} religion you want] is to disrespect all those it gleefully claims roast in hell, and thought itself."" Fixed that one for you, if we're just going all in on senseless religion hate at this point.
- PavlovsCat 13y ago
  If I say apples are fruit, you don't "fix" that by mentioning that other things are fruit, too, as if I had claimed otherwise. You're just being a needy doofus. Also, pffff. Senseless religion hate? I came to my conclusions as a believer, and I read the Quran with anticipation and hope, actually. Those were sorely disappointed, to put it mildly. My stance now is "if that's from God, God sucks and we're all fucked. If it's not, I can't wait until it goes the way of the dinosaurs." That's not hate, that's just paying attention. Not being American I don't particularly care about Christian fundamentalists. In Europe, there is ONE active religion and ONE that matters, and that's Islam. Make yourself familiar with intellectual honesty and OT, NT and Quran, and then tell me they're not documents of fascism. Whatever any person does, if God says it's evil, it's evil; whatever thing God does, no matter how much more selfish and brutal in nature, is good. It's very fucking easy to be "tolerant" about things you hardly know, or don't take seriously at all. I don't senselessly hate, I have reasons for my dislike. Are you, however, senselessly sucking up? I love thought and logic; those religions hate them. Put differently, I didn't start this; I'm just not rolling over. If you don't want beef with me, don't put a pistol to my head, and don't call me wrecking that pistol an attack. For me that's real basic, but if you only deal in feel-good slogans, it's obviously going to confuse you. Well, good riddance.
  - drivebyacct2 13y ago
    I'm sorry but I just laughed at your entire post. I'm an ardent atheist so that little diatribe was cute. There are plenty of reasons to not like religion, you didn't really bother having that discussion and instead resorted to a cheapshot driveby comment. That was what I was mocking. And yeah, there's plenty of "fascist" behavior in American Christians too. To sit there and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about... in the same breath that you say you don't know or care about US Christians is a special kind of braggard ignorance. Good riddance? I guess? I don't even know what your point against me was at this point.