3 ms·

This also applies to many other things, several of my opinions are controversial, I know... But where I live at least, you cannot talk about blacks, muslims, j

by speeder 13y ago

This also applies to many other things, several of my opinions are controversial, I know... But where I live at least, you cannot talk about blacks, muslims, jews, gays (both for, or against), and on, and on, and on... Slandering asians is fine though (I dunno why... but everyone is cool with that here).

jbooth 13y ago
Well, then I'll just expand on my previous comment to add racial groups to the cultural/religious groups that you should probably re-examine your views on if everybody finds them offensive.
- drzaiusapelord 13y ago
  Not too long ago, everyone thought inter-racial marriage was offensive. I think basing your morality on "what everyone thinks right now" is foolish at best.
  - deleted 13y ago
    [deleted]
    - jiggy2011 13y ago
      That same argument cuts both ways, imagine you live in a place where racist and anti-gay sentiment is the norm. In such a place you might be concerned about making a comment that could be construed as support for gay marriage or racial equality as you might be ridiculed or shunned in some way by your community. In such a situation would it be fair to say that the person in question should necessarily adjust their views to conform?
      - deleted 13y ago
        [deleted]
        jiggy2011 13y ago
        Disagree, lots of people hold opinions on things that they haven't really thought much about so those views are likely to be similar simply because by virtue of them consuming similar news sources and echo chambering their views amongst each other. There aren't really distinct groups of "racist" or "liberal on race" , this is an over simplification. There are in fact many separate and overlapping issues which relate to race and it is possible to have differing opinions on any or all of them. It is certainly worth re-evaluating your position if you have new information or a good argument to consider, but not simply because category X of people mostly disagree with you.
        deleted 13y ago
        [deleted]
        jiggy2011 13y ago
        I'm responding mainly to this "Well, then I'll just expand on my previous comment to add racial groups to the cultural/religious groups that you should probably re-examine your views on if everybody finds them offensive." The guy upthread related an anecdote as an example of where people might engage in doublethink, the example included a guy who was a muslim because that is who he happened to have the conversation with. He then stated that he is hesitant to use muslims as an example because that tends to bring with it all kinds of personal biases. Then you made the comment quoted above, which is what I am mainly referring too. You talk about "the liberal coast of america" as if it is some defining oracle of truth and if you disagree with it, then you are wrong.
        deleted 13y ago
        [deleted]
        CatMtKing 13y ago
        My thoughts exactly, though it doesn't seem like the fellow you're arguing with is grepping it.
saraid216 13y ago
Hi. I'm Asian. Fuck you.
- drivebyacct2 13y ago
  Jesus this thread is vitriolic. I didn't see him slander an Asian person, nor say that he supported it.
- gizmo686 13y ago
  Sorry but, historically speaking, Asians are by far the most hated people in the US. Our first laws restricting who can immigrate were designed to prohibit Asians. In Plessy v. Ferguson (the Supreme court case which upheld racial segragation on trains), the dissent for that case made the arguement: "There is a race so different from our own that we do not permit those belonging to it to become citizens of the United States. Persons belonging to it are, with few exceptions, absolutely excluded from our country. I allude to the Chinese race. But, by the statute in question, a Chinaman can ride in the same passenger coach with white citizens of the United States, while citizens of the black race in Louisiana, many of whom, perhaps, risked their lives for the preservation of the Union, who are entitled, by law, to participate in the political control of the State and nation, who are not excluded, by law or by reason of their race, from public stations of any kind, and who have all the legal rights that belong to white citizens, are yet declared to be criminals, liable to imprisonment, if they ride in a public coach occupied by citizens of the white race."[1] During WWII, the only people we locked up in concentration camps were the Japanese, despite the fact that many other countries were clearly hostile to us, and the fact that many of the Japanese clearly had no loyalties to Japan (they often didn't even speak Japanese). So sorry, but Asians do have a special place in this country for being discriminated against. [1] http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/163/537/case.html http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/163/537/case.html

by speeder 13y ago

jbooth 13y ago

Well, then I'll just expand on my previous comment to add racial groups to the cultural/religious groups that you should probably re-examine your views on if everybody finds them offensive.

drzaiusapelord 13y ago
Not too long ago, everyone thought inter-racial marriage was offensive. I think basing your morality on "what everyone thinks right now" is foolish at best.
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]
  - jiggy2011 13y ago
    That same argument cuts both ways, imagine you live in a place where racist and anti-gay sentiment is the norm. In such a place you might be concerned about making a comment that could be construed as support for gay marriage or racial equality as you might be ridiculed or shunned in some way by your community. In such a situation would it be fair to say that the person in question should necessarily adjust their views to conform?
    - deleted 13y ago
      [deleted]
      - jiggy2011 13y ago
        Disagree, lots of people hold opinions on things that they haven't really thought much about so those views are likely to be similar simply because by virtue of them consuming similar news sources and echo chambering their views amongst each other. There aren't really distinct groups of "racist" or "liberal on race" , this is an over simplification. There are in fact many separate and overlapping issues which relate to race and it is possible to have differing opinions on any or all of them. It is certainly worth re-evaluating your position if you have new information or a good argument to consider, but not simply because category X of people mostly disagree with you.
        deleted 13y ago
        [deleted]
        jiggy2011 13y ago
        I'm responding mainly to this "Well, then I'll just expand on my previous comment to add racial groups to the cultural/religious groups that you should probably re-examine your views on if everybody finds them offensive." The guy upthread related an anecdote as an example of where people might engage in doublethink, the example included a guy who was a muslim because that is who he happened to have the conversation with. He then stated that he is hesitant to use muslims as an example because that tends to bring with it all kinds of personal biases. Then you made the comment quoted above, which is what I am mainly referring too. You talk about "the liberal coast of america" as if it is some defining oracle of truth and if you disagree with it, then you are wrong.
        deleted 13y ago
        [deleted]
        CatMtKing 13y ago
        My thoughts exactly, though it doesn't seem like the fellow you're arguing with is grepping it.

saraid216 13y ago

Hi. I'm Asian. Fuck you.

drivebyacct2 13y ago
Jesus this thread is vitriolic. I didn't see him slander an Asian person, nor say that he supported it.
gizmo686 13y ago
Sorry but, historically speaking, Asians are by far the most hated people in the US. Our first laws restricting who can immigrate were designed to prohibit Asians. In Plessy v. Ferguson (the Supreme court case which upheld racial segragation on trains), the dissent for that case made the arguement: "There is a race so different from our own that we do not permit those belonging to it to become citizens of the United States. Persons belonging to it are, with few exceptions, absolutely excluded from our country. I allude to the Chinese race. But, by the statute in question, a Chinaman can ride in the same passenger coach with white citizens of the United States, while citizens of the black race in Louisiana, many of whom, perhaps, risked their lives for the preservation of the Union, who are entitled, by law, to participate in the political control of the State and nation, who are not excluded, by law or by reason of their race, from public stations of any kind, and who have all the legal rights that belong to white citizens, are yet declared to be criminals, liable to imprisonment, if they ride in a public coach occupied by citizens of the white race."[1] During WWII, the only people we locked up in concentration camps were the Japanese, despite the fact that many other countries were clearly hostile to us, and the fact that many of the Japanese clearly had no loyalties to Japan (they often didn't even speak Japanese). So sorry, but Asians do have a special place in this country for being discriminated against. [1] http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/163/537/case.html http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/163/537/case.html