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How disappointing to see anti-Islam polemic as the top comment. The comment then ties a marriage from 1,300 years ago to his justification for possession of chi

by parfe 13y ago

How disappointing to see anti-Islam polemic as the top comment. The comment then ties a marriage from 1,300 years ago to his justification for possession of child pornography. Real quality content the community is endorsing.

tome 13y ago
What's anti-Islam about that comment?
speeder 13y ago
It is not anti-Islam polemic... The person is very dear to me, and I was only pointing how there is a clear dissonance between values, even in the same person... The Bible is also full of things that most people dislike, and I am fine with them. Most people think I am evil because of THAT. I got kinda tired of avoiding commenting about Islam, or Jews, because every time someone talk about Islam people think it is a anti-Islam thing (mostly, because many times it is, unfortunately... I still remember when I told a person that rode the commuting bus every day with me how sad I was about Libya civil war, and he replied that muslims were all stupid evil dirty people and deserved to die, I never talked with that guy again, who knows what other shocking shit he might say), and every time someone say something bad about Jews it turns into anti-semitism (even if the object of the criticism is true). I guess maybe I should have invented some fictional names for the historical figures mentioned, to still give a example of my point of someone that favours throwing the baby with the bathwater but at the same time respects a historical figure that clashes with their own values.
- jbooth 13y ago
  If you find yourself having to constantly restrain yourself from making bad comments about (all/most) Muslims and Jews, maybe the problem isn't just that society is too uptight. This story has nothing to do with any religion whatsoever, messianic or not, yet your first instinct is to go on about Islam and then call people overly-PC for wondering what the hell you're on about.
  - speeder 13y ago
    This also applies to many other things, several of my opinions are controversial, I know... But where I live at least, you cannot talk about blacks, muslims, jews, gays (both for, or against), and on, and on, and on... Slandering asians is fine though (I dunno why... but everyone is cool with that here).
    - jbooth 13y ago
      Well, then I'll just expand on my previous comment to add racial groups to the cultural/religious groups that you should probably re-examine your views on if everybody finds them offensive.
      - drzaiusapelord 13y ago
        Not too long ago, everyone thought inter-racial marriage was offensive. I think basing your morality on "what everyone thinks right now" is foolish at best.
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        jiggy2011 13y ago
        That same argument cuts both ways, imagine you live in a place where racist and anti-gay sentiment is the norm. In such a place you might be concerned about making a comment that could be construed as support for gay marriage or racial equality as you might be ridiculed or shunned in some way by your community. In such a situation would it be fair to say that the person in question should necessarily adjust their views to conform?
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- rmc 13y ago
  A religious person acting like a hypocrite about their religion. This is common in all religions, and doesn't really add anything.
scottymac 13y ago
Absolutely--I agree we shouldn't adhere to customs, values, and laws created and held by men 1300 years ago.
darkarmani 13y ago
> How disappointing to see anti-Islam polemic as the top comment. How disappointing to see unsubstantiated claims. What is the part that is an anti-Islam polemic?
lawnchair_larry 13y ago
What's wrong with anti-islam comments? We don't tolerate things like power balance bracelets or homeopathic medicine. I don't see why it's somehow "bad" to be intolerant of religious fairy tales as well.
- flog 13y ago
  I think "tolerate" is the interesting word. Tolerance != respect. Surely, it's better to "respect" religion, and how can I do that if I cannot challenge it? And then, should a non-defendable religion be tolerated?
  - PavlovsCat 13y ago
    To respect Islam is to disrespect all those it gleefully claims roast in hell, and thought itself.
    - drivebyacct2 13y ago
      ""To respect [insert basically any {generally monotheistic} religion you want] is to disrespect all those it gleefully claims roast in hell, and thought itself."" Fixed that one for you, if we're just going all in on senseless religion hate at this point.
      - PavlovsCat 13y ago
        If I say apples are fruit, you don't "fix" that by mentioning that other things are fruit, too, as if I had claimed otherwise. You're just being a needy doofus. Also, pffff. Senseless religion hate? I came to my conclusions as a believer, and I read the Quran with anticipation and hope, actually. Those were sorely disappointed, to put it mildly. My stance now is "if that's from God, God sucks and we're all fucked. If it's not, I can't wait until it goes the way of the dinosaurs." That's not hate, that's just paying attention. Not being American I don't particularly care about Christian fundamentalists. In Europe, there is ONE active religion and ONE that matters, and that's Islam. Make yourself familiar with intellectual honesty and OT, NT and Quran, and then tell me they're not documents of fascism. Whatever any person does, if God says it's evil, it's evil; whatever thing God does, no matter how much more selfish and brutal in nature, is good. It's very fucking easy to be "tolerant" about things you hardly know, or don't take seriously at all. I don't senselessly hate, I have reasons for my dislike. Are you, however, senselessly sucking up? I love thought and logic; those religions hate them. Put differently, I didn't start this; I'm just not rolling over. If you don't want beef with me, don't put a pistol to my head, and don't call me wrecking that pistol an attack. For me that's real basic, but if you only deal in feel-good slogans, it's obviously going to confuse you. Well, good riddance.
CatMtKing 13y ago
Either you've completely misread his comment or I have. He was pointing out that modern standards have changed quite significantly and quickly, and that the modern standard is ill defined.
drivebyacct2 13y ago
I'm not even going to address your shit attitude and comments and just focus on the libel you're committing. If you're going to throw a fit because you're incapable of having a discussion elevated beyond "Kill everyone who ever looks at a child", at least try not to make false accusations of CP possession against others. What a stupid, rude thing to do.
DanBC 13y ago
Not just as top comment of this thread, but one of the top voted comments in recent HN.

by parfe 13y ago

tome 13y ago

What's anti-Islam about that comment?

speeder 13y ago

It is not anti-Islam polemic... The person is very dear to me, and I was only pointing how there is a clear dissonance between values, even in the same person... The Bible is also full of things that most people dislike, and I am fine with them. Most people think I am evil because of THAT. I got kinda tired of avoiding commenting about Islam, or Jews, because every time someone talk about Islam people think it is a anti-Islam thing (mostly, because many times it is, unfortunately... I still remember when I told a person that rode the commuting bus every day with me how sad I was about Libya civil war, and he replied that muslims were all stupid evil dirty people and deserved to die, I never talked with that guy again, who knows what other shocking shit he might say), and every time someone say something bad about Jews it turns into anti-semitism (even if the object of the criticism is true). I guess maybe I should have invented some fictional names for the historical figures mentioned, to still give a example of my point of someone that favours throwing the baby with the bathwater but at the same time respects a historical figure that clashes with their own values.

jbooth 13y ago
If you find yourself having to constantly restrain yourself from making bad comments about (all/most) Muslims and Jews, maybe the problem isn't just that society is too uptight. This story has nothing to do with any religion whatsoever, messianic or not, yet your first instinct is to go on about Islam and then call people overly-PC for wondering what the hell you're on about.
- speeder 13y ago
  This also applies to many other things, several of my opinions are controversial, I know... But where I live at least, you cannot talk about blacks, muslims, jews, gays (both for, or against), and on, and on, and on... Slandering asians is fine though (I dunno why... but everyone is cool with that here).
  - jbooth 13y ago
    Well, then I'll just expand on my previous comment to add racial groups to the cultural/religious groups that you should probably re-examine your views on if everybody finds them offensive.
    - drzaiusapelord 13y ago
      Not too long ago, everyone thought inter-racial marriage was offensive. I think basing your morality on "what everyone thinks right now" is foolish at best.
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        jiggy2011 13y ago
        That same argument cuts both ways, imagine you live in a place where racist and anti-gay sentiment is the norm. In such a place you might be concerned about making a comment that could be construed as support for gay marriage or racial equality as you might be ridiculed or shunned in some way by your community. In such a situation would it be fair to say that the person in question should necessarily adjust their views to conform?
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rmc 13y ago
A religious person acting like a hypocrite about their religion. This is common in all religions, and doesn't really add anything.

scottymac 13y ago

Absolutely--I agree we shouldn't adhere to customs, values, and laws created and held by men 1300 years ago.

darkarmani 13y ago

> How disappointing to see anti-Islam polemic as the top comment. How disappointing to see unsubstantiated claims. What is the part that is an anti-Islam polemic?

lawnchair_larry 13y ago

What's wrong with anti-islam comments? We don't tolerate things like power balance bracelets or homeopathic medicine. I don't see why it's somehow "bad" to be intolerant of religious fairy tales as well.

flog 13y ago
I think "tolerate" is the interesting word. Tolerance != respect. Surely, it's better to "respect" religion, and how can I do that if I cannot challenge it? And then, should a non-defendable religion be tolerated?
- PavlovsCat 13y ago
  To respect Islam is to disrespect all those it gleefully claims roast in hell, and thought itself.
  - drivebyacct2 13y ago
    ""To respect [insert basically any {generally monotheistic} religion you want] is to disrespect all those it gleefully claims roast in hell, and thought itself."" Fixed that one for you, if we're just going all in on senseless religion hate at this point.
    - PavlovsCat 13y ago
      If I say apples are fruit, you don't "fix" that by mentioning that other things are fruit, too, as if I had claimed otherwise. You're just being a needy doofus. Also, pffff. Senseless religion hate? I came to my conclusions as a believer, and I read the Quran with anticipation and hope, actually. Those were sorely disappointed, to put it mildly. My stance now is "if that's from God, God sucks and we're all fucked. If it's not, I can't wait until it goes the way of the dinosaurs." That's not hate, that's just paying attention. Not being American I don't particularly care about Christian fundamentalists. In Europe, there is ONE active religion and ONE that matters, and that's Islam. Make yourself familiar with intellectual honesty and OT, NT and Quran, and then tell me they're not documents of fascism. Whatever any person does, if God says it's evil, it's evil; whatever thing God does, no matter how much more selfish and brutal in nature, is good. It's very fucking easy to be "tolerant" about things you hardly know, or don't take seriously at all. I don't senselessly hate, I have reasons for my dislike. Are you, however, senselessly sucking up? I love thought and logic; those religions hate them. Put differently, I didn't start this; I'm just not rolling over. If you don't want beef with me, don't put a pistol to my head, and don't call me wrecking that pistol an attack. For me that's real basic, but if you only deal in feel-good slogans, it's obviously going to confuse you. Well, good riddance.

CatMtKing 13y ago

Either you've completely misread his comment or I have. He was pointing out that modern standards have changed quite significantly and quickly, and that the modern standard is ill defined.

drivebyacct2 13y ago

I'm not even going to address your shit attitude and comments and just focus on the libel you're committing. If you're going to throw a fit because you're incapable of having a discussion elevated beyond "Kill everyone who ever looks at a child", at least try not to make false accusations of CP possession against others. What a stupid, rude thing to do.

DanBC 13y ago

Not just as top comment of this thread, but one of the top voted comments in recent HN.