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Where the Jobs Are in “Who Is Hiring” (June 2013)
- eterm 13y agoThese are pie charts of "where are HN users" and contain little information more useful than that.
- estebank 13y agoWell, it is useful if you want to work for or hire HN readers. :)
- stephengillie 13y agoHow does a pie chart help me email potential employers?
- estebank 13y agoIt tells you where you might want to move to.
- stephengillie 13y agoAnd I should move there....so I can more easily email the employers in that city?
- jabbernotty 13y agoI am certainly interested to see that my own country does appear in 'HN Who Is Hiring'. I didn't think it did.
- nubbie 13y agoAs a foreigner, I've been lead to believe that Seattle is one of the top tech hubs after the Bay area and NY (don't have any specific source for this). I've noticed the lack of advertised jobs in Seattle while reading the Hiring threads, and this just confirms it. Is the Seattle scene not as big as I think it is? Or are they just not hiring (through this channel)?
- rdl 13y agoFrom what I have seen, Seattle companies are big (amazon, Microsoft, f5, etc), consultancies (eg ioactive), in enterprise/vertical markets, and/or tend to retain staff pretty long term vs Bay Area companies, so don't need to hire as often.
- kyllo 13y agoYeah, and I don't think the Microsofts, Googles and Amazons of the world do a whole lot of grassroots-style recruiting via HN, SO, Github, etc. Their hiring process is more traditional. They tend to use university CS programs as feeders.
- rdl 13y agoIt's really interesting how some companies are so great at university recruiting (Palantir!), vs. ones which seem to hire more later-career people (Netflix?), and how it is different. I'd tend to say startups should initially recruit from their own networks; for founders just leaving a school, or with strong ongoing connections to a school, that's great, but getting someone with 2-5+ years of experience means a lot more in a startup than it would at a big company with enough structure. A fresh college graduate with some independent project/startup experience is entirely different from the 50th percentile CS grad from a good-academically-but-not-amazing program, though.
- jlarocco 13y agoNot entirely true. Amazon has contacted me via SO Careers.
- rybosome 13y agoThere is a startup scene here, but it's nowhere near as vibrant as the Bay Area. I'm not an expert on this, but one of my coworkers at the Seattle-based startup I previously worked at told me that most local investors were skittish. Supposedly, they tend to balk at any startup that isn't a B2B. The technical reputation definitely comes from Microsoft and Amazon being headquartered here, along with branches for eBay, Google, and Facebook.
- jasonlotito 13y agoThere is absolutely no reason to post this yourself. It's posted every month on the first. June's was already done: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5803764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5803764 Edit: I was completely wrong. My apologies. I'll keep the original comment in place. The subject was a bit misleading, but still, mea culpa.
- orta 13y agoHis bog post is about stats based off that the link you've mentioned.
- chollida1 13y ago> Edit: I was completely wrong. My apologies. I'll keep the original comment in place. The subject was a bit misleading, but still, mea culpa. Good for you. Have an upvote. Everyone of us has fired off a comment in haste that we wish we could get back. It happens. It's actually good that it happens. It usually means that you'll atleast be aware that you are about to do it next time:)
- ksowocki 13y agoI'm kind of incredulous that this made the home page. It does not seem to add much value above the job listings themselves. Breaking up the jobs by level and 'specialty' would be useful.
- tocomment 13y agoI see it as a good sign the "Other" city is the second leading location. Maybe we're starting to spread out the good jobs. One thing I haven't been liking is it seems like most of the jobs are looking for worker bees. No one is looking for managers, directors, VP's, or even team leads. For those of us with over 15 years experience there didn't appear to be too many opportunities.
- hackula1 13y agoThose sorts of jobs are not often posted. I would think the vast majority of these roles are filled through networking.
- cllns 13y agoCambridge MA should be included with Boston, if SF Bay Area is an area by itself.
- bargl 13y agoAlso, Arlington, VA is considered part of the Washington DC metro area. and Bellevue is close enough to Seattle to count over there as well. But other than that (which you wouldn't know unless you lived there) its awesome. I was curious about this information.
- heidar 13y agoThanks for the feedback. My US geography isn't great. I've fixed it in the charts and spreadsheet and will keep note of it if I ever do this again.
- aidos 13y agoWho's Hiring: Where are all the Candidates? I posted for a Python developer to take over my contract in London doing interesting work for good pay and I've only had remote respondents. Surprised me a little. So I'll say it again :) Can someone please take my job?
- ownagefool 13y agoYou're probably better posting on an actual jobsite like cwjobs or maybe even gumtree. There are tons of python developers in London, but you're only looking at a limited subset by posting here and as a UK contractor, I barely even check these threads because of the signal to noise ratio. I don't have the python experience though, so no email from me. :p
- krmmalik 13y agoCan you tell me more about the job? I know a Python developer who is originally from London, so he may be interested.
- muyuu 13y agoWhat do you consider good pay? If you have no candidates it may not be very good (or you haven't advertised the position properly).
- tracker1 13y agoIf your area is like Phoenix-AZ-USA, then you may well have more jobs than developers to fill them. You need to either expand your candidate pool to those whom are less proficient in Python but willing and able to learn, or you need to offer a compelling reason for someone to leave their stable job. Usually a 10-20% increase in salary+benefits will do this. If you are offering 10% more than your competitors in terms of pay, you stand a better chance at recruiting talent away from other companies... if you offer a "senior" position at typical pay, you can't expect much. Personally, I'm tempted to put on my outgoing voicemail (about half my inbound calls are recruiters) that I'm not interested in less than X in my local area or Y out of state. X being about 10% more than I currently make, and Y being 30% more (most areas recruiting, such as SF/SV cost that much more to even live there).
- raldi 13y agoYour graphs are impossible to read on an iPhone (or at least a pre-5 iPhone). Regardless of rotation, the right edge of the graphs is cut off, and you can't scroll or zoom.
- vfxGer 13y agoAnyone know where Ireland fits on this chart?
- dantillberg 13y agoI love this. I know I'm hanging out on the right site when people post comments and followups to articles with data collected and statistics analyzed.
- a3n 13y agoI really like the understated interactivity of the graphs. Hover over an area of the graph or list, and that section of the graph is highlighted. Hover over the graph and amplifying text appears. Click on the graph or list and a persistent marker for that part of the graph is displayed.
- acchow 13y agoGoogle Charts. It's not d3js but it's good stuff.
- rm999 13y agoI don't like to be THAT guy on HN who posts off-topic criticism (especially on a really interesting link like this), but as someone who is very interested in data visualization I think it's worth pointing out: pie charts are almost never the correct way to visualize data. I decided to mention this because it's not really intuitive - even many data vis experts had to be taught this. A bar chart presents the same information and is better in almost every way. Both your pie charts are a good example of how useful information is lost when you have more than a few categories. Both also make it hard to compare the relative magnitudes of smaller categories. http://www.stevefenton.co.uk/Content/Pie-Charts-Are-Bad/ http://www.stevefenton.co.uk/Content/Pie-Charts-Are-Bad/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie_chart#Use.2C_effectiveness_and_visual_perception http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie_chart#Use.2C_effectiveness_...
- k3n 13y agoRelevant data-visualization when talking about data-visualization (it's served me well): http://img.labnol.org/di/choose-chart-type.jpg http://img.labnol.org/di/choose-chart-type.jpg
- gus_massa 13y agoA possible way of not been that guy is providing a better visualization. I downloaded the data and tried to do a better graph, but I think I failed :( . http://imgur.com/a/HEcFu http://imgur.com/a/HEcFu In the linear graph, the size of the U.S. column is so big that makes the sizes of the other countries difficult to see. In the logarithmic graph () the sizes are too deformed, so it doesn't look good neither. (() Is it even legal to use a logarithmic scale with percents??)
- latch 13y agoAside from a couple postings from India, I was slightly shocked (disturbed?) that there wasn't a single posting for any Asian country. Feels like a huge opportunity is being wasted.
- ywang0414 13y agoVery cool information, and it's very much what I'm seeing personally. Just from the number of linked in pokes I get, SF is by far the highest city.
- bxf 13y agoI don't see the 3 jobs in Denver, CO.
- heidar 13y agoDid you click the more link and look at all the pages? Here are the jobs in Denver, CO: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5814622 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5814622 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5809210 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5809210 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5804613 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5804613
- evo_9 13y agoNice, go Denver! I kinda wonder if that's mostly Boulder though, seems like most of the startup action is in Boulder (TechStars is there, of course).
- bxf 13y agoMy fault. Thanks!