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Nothing against... no wait, I do have something against all of 4chan. It's f'ing pointless at best. So why is this 4chan rulez time.com thing so often so high

Nothing against... no wait, I do have something against all of 4chan. It's f'ing pointless at best. So why is this 4chan rulez time.com thing so often so high on HN? Within hours today there's several stories about it and that's in addition to all the stories we had here when it started. We're as bad about his as the mass media is about swine flu. Please, if you're one of the people submitting and/or voting this up, tell me what makes you so interested in 4chan and their Colbert style mockery of online polling?

hack_edu 17y ago
Anonymous are hackers, just like us. They force us to recognize the limits of our wired world, and laugh when we fail. At least their culture beats that of Twitter, amirite? edit: But I digress, this issue has been bumped to the front page too much. Definitely.
- biohacker42 17y ago
  OK, maybe they're better then the twitter crowd, but I think > 0.001% of them are hackers.
  - hack_edu 17y ago
    Perhaps technical aptitude is rare among /b/tards, but they still hack. It's a state of mind. Many of Kevin Mitnick's greatest hacks were through culture jamming and social engineering. A hack is a hack is a hack, as long as it works.
  - Steve0 17y ago
    I think < 0.001% are hackers.
    - biohacker42 17y ago
      Thank you for debugging my comment. I've done embarrassed myself on the internets. But I will not correct it while I can, because sir your sharp eye deserves recognition.
  - ramchip 17y ago
    It's certainly rare among /b/tards. On most of 4chan, /b/ is considered a bit like a cesspit of potty humor and dumb discussion. You'll find a lot more hackers (certainly more than 0.001%) on /jp/ (which has many game translators, ressource hackers and even visual novel programmers) and the textboard /prog/, among others. And I'm talking about hackers in the HN meaning of the word, not activists or website defacers.
- swombat 17y ago
  amirite? no.
imp 17y ago
I don't care either way about 4chan, but I'm surprised that Time is still publishing the results as if they mean something. It's just a funny hack.
- CalmQuiet 17y ago
  Yes... I think it's a statement about Time's approach to IT: Willing to use data from online surveys it develops, but not to keep results up to date. Maybe not funding/mandating IT to use sufficient resources to prevent result-spamming. And consider the online-journalistic issues about "Timeliness" (sorry) of Times news posts: the error's been known for hours, but Time's article (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,1883644,00.html http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,1883644,0...) is still starting out MARBLECAKE as of 12:30pm, MDT, despite contention at http://musicmachinery.com/2009/04/17/the-time-empire-strikes-back/ http://musicmachinery.com/2009/04/17/the-time-empire-strikes... that Time was "Striking back"... and no nearby link to news about Time's getting hacked. Will they wait for Newsweek to break the story?
buugs 17y ago
I don't think people are upvoting for the sake of 4chan rather they are upvoting for the subject, that a news or current issue magazine is so proud that they won't admit that the results are not real.
erlanger 17y ago
> It's f'ing pointless at best. No, not at all. > So why is this 4chan rulez time.com thing so often so high on HN? Really? I presume it has something to do with the 4Chan guys breaking the poll beyond all recognition. It's a very interesting little story that makes anti-establishment people like me smile.
stcredzero 17y ago
Insiders of 4chan and/or the other social-engineering prankster groups will either be the Yippies of their time (flashy but ultimately irrelevant) or they will become a new "in" network that will leverage their ability to manipulate media to turn financial and political resources to their advantage, co-opting societal resources and, based on their ideology, further eviscerating our society's ability to maintain itself in the process. It's not that they would be the only ones. They would be just the latest in a long series of societal exploiters. The Internet has merely provided them a virtual gathering place where the minions of chaos can organize just enough to propagate their ideology, but not enough to provide a useful target. In other words, I wonder if they going to become a new establishment, or are they merely going to parasitize it?
- vorador 17y ago
  Well, I don't think that 4chan has an ideology. Or, I hope they don't.
  - stcredzero 17y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
- ramchip 17y ago
  I wonder if they going to become a new establishment What? 4chan? No way. Some guys were bored, the poll wasn't really hard to hack, so they had some fun patching some tools together and playing with it. What they did doesn't require any kind of social influence or networking... it's just a bunch of bored people on an IRC channel somewhere. Most of which can't program. 4chan has no ideology, or if you prefer, thousands of conflicting ideologies. The visual novel fans (/jp/) despise most anime fans (/a/), the anime fans have no respect for the fitness and fashion fans (/fit/,/fa/), etc. /b/ is bigger but still a huge mess.
endtime 17y ago
I'd be more inclined to call Time pointless than 4chan, and I think the poll supports that. Like it or not, 4chan has a strong influence on pop culture. That said, I'm flagging this story for lack of intellectual content. IMO this is the kind of story that should be on reddit.

hack_edu 17y ago

Anonymous are hackers, just like us. They force us to recognize the limits of our wired world, and laugh when we fail. At least their culture beats that of Twitter, amirite? edit: But I digress, this issue has been bumped to the front page too much. Definitely.

biohacker42 17y ago
OK, maybe they're better then the twitter crowd, but I think > 0.001% of them are hackers.
- hack_edu 17y ago
  Perhaps technical aptitude is rare among /b/tards, but they still hack. It's a state of mind. Many of Kevin Mitnick's greatest hacks were through culture jamming and social engineering. A hack is a hack is a hack, as long as it works.
- Steve0 17y ago
  I think < 0.001% are hackers.
  - biohacker42 17y ago
    Thank you for debugging my comment. I've done embarrassed myself on the internets. But I will not correct it while I can, because sir your sharp eye deserves recognition.
- ramchip 17y ago
  It's certainly rare among /b/tards. On most of 4chan, /b/ is considered a bit like a cesspit of potty humor and dumb discussion. You'll find a lot more hackers (certainly more than 0.001%) on /jp/ (which has many game translators, ressource hackers and even visual novel programmers) and the textboard /prog/, among others. And I'm talking about hackers in the HN meaning of the word, not activists or website defacers.
swombat 17y ago
amirite? no.

imp 17y ago

I don't care either way about 4chan, but I'm surprised that Time is still publishing the results as if they mean something. It's just a funny hack.

CalmQuiet 17y ago
Yes... I think it's a statement about Time's approach to IT: Willing to use data from online surveys it develops, but not to keep results up to date. Maybe not funding/mandating IT to use sufficient resources to prevent result-spamming. And consider the online-journalistic issues about "Timeliness" (sorry) of Times news posts: the error's been known for hours, but Time's article (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,1883644,00.html http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/0,28757,1883644,0...) is still starting out MARBLECAKE as of 12:30pm, MDT, despite contention at http://musicmachinery.com/2009/04/17/the-time-empire-strikes-back/ http://musicmachinery.com/2009/04/17/the-time-empire-strikes... that Time was "Striking back"... and no nearby link to news about Time's getting hacked. Will they wait for Newsweek to break the story?

buugs 17y ago

I don't think people are upvoting for the sake of 4chan rather they are upvoting for the subject, that a news or current issue magazine is so proud that they won't admit that the results are not real.

erlanger 17y ago

> It's f'ing pointless at best. No, not at all. > So why is this 4chan rulez time.com thing so often so high on HN? Really? I presume it has something to do with the 4Chan guys breaking the poll beyond all recognition. It's a very interesting little story that makes anti-establishment people like me smile.

stcredzero 17y ago

Insiders of 4chan and/or the other social-engineering prankster groups will either be the Yippies of their time (flashy but ultimately irrelevant) or they will become a new "in" network that will leverage their ability to manipulate media to turn financial and political resources to their advantage, co-opting societal resources and, based on their ideology, further eviscerating our society's ability to maintain itself in the process. It's not that they would be the only ones. They would be just the latest in a long series of societal exploiters. The Internet has merely provided them a virtual gathering place where the minions of chaos can organize just enough to propagate their ideology, but not enough to provide a useful target. In other words, I wonder if they going to become a new establishment, or are they merely going to parasitize it?

vorador 17y ago
Well, I don't think that 4chan has an ideology. Or, I hope they don't.
- stcredzero 17y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
ramchip 17y ago
I wonder if they going to become a new establishment What? 4chan? No way. Some guys were bored, the poll wasn't really hard to hack, so they had some fun patching some tools together and playing with it. What they did doesn't require any kind of social influence or networking... it's just a bunch of bored people on an IRC channel somewhere. Most of which can't program. 4chan has no ideology, or if you prefer, thousands of conflicting ideologies. The visual novel fans (/jp/) despise most anime fans (/a/), the anime fans have no respect for the fitness and fashion fans (/fit/,/fa/), etc. /b/ is bigger but still a huge mess.

endtime 17y ago

I'd be more inclined to call Time pointless than 4chan, and I think the poll supports that. Like it or not, 4chan has a strong influence on pop culture. That said, I'm flagging this story for lack of intellectual content. IMO this is the kind of story that should be on reddit.