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"Thats all, folks" Except that's not all. Ruby and Rails now have a bad reputation, and this bad reputation has an adverse effect on people and companies adopt

by carbon8 18y ago

"Thats all, folks" Except that's not all. Ruby and Rails now have a bad reputation, and this bad reputation has an adverse effect on people and companies adopting and continuing with the language and frameworks. It is extremely unfortunate that vocal and influential ruby developers ignore this.

jon_dahl 18y ago
I don't think that's true. First, vocal and influential Ruby developers talk about this. I've heard Chad Fowler, DHH, and Matz all talk about it at major conferences (RailsConf and RubyConf). Second, I've worked with dozens of clients on Ruby projects, and talked with dozens more, and I've never heard these sorts of issues come up. Outside of the language war world, people don't really care if DHH swears or if an inappropriate presentation is given at a minor conference.
- carbon8 18y ago
  "First, vocal and influential Ruby developers talk about this" They sure do: http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631034662 http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631034662 http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631100714 http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631100714 http://twitter.com/_why/status/1631313721 http://twitter.com/_why/status/1631313721 http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631342976 http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631342976 http://twitter.com/_why/status/1631504321 http://twitter.com/_why/status/1631504321 why has a point. There's plenty of evidence that DHH and some other prominent ruby developers simply don't care at all about people having different perspectives, and they certainly don't respect it. These guys want to use their work in software at a platform for their little personal identities. The "community" is absolutely not welcoming; it's actually outright exclusionary. They don't care, and they don't even pretend to care. I primary work with ruby and have for a few years now. I'd like to continue to do so. But I'm frequently discouraged by the fact that involvement with the community means dealing with people who are simply not nice people.
rjurney 18y ago
I'm not saying he's not right, I'm saying I couldn't stomach the post long enough to get to his long, drawn out conclusion. I refuse to read 1000 words when 25 would do. Every blog post by this guy is bitter shit. If he could control his rage long enough to compose his thoughts, he might not suck so much. As it is he rants and raves and complains and it sucks. Just my two cents though, I could be wrong.

by carbon8 18y ago

jon_dahl 18y ago

I don't think that's true. First, vocal and influential Ruby developers talk about this. I've heard Chad Fowler, DHH, and Matz all talk about it at major conferences (RailsConf and RubyConf). Second, I've worked with dozens of clients on Ruby projects, and talked with dozens more, and I've never heard these sorts of issues come up. Outside of the language war world, people don't really care if DHH swears or if an inappropriate presentation is given at a minor conference.

carbon8 18y ago
"First, vocal and influential Ruby developers talk about this" They sure do: http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631034662 http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631034662 http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631100714 http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631100714 http://twitter.com/_why/status/1631313721 http://twitter.com/_why/status/1631313721 http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631342976 http://twitter.com/d2h/status/1631342976 http://twitter.com/_why/status/1631504321 http://twitter.com/_why/status/1631504321 why has a point. There's plenty of evidence that DHH and some other prominent ruby developers simply don't care at all about people having different perspectives, and they certainly don't respect it. These guys want to use their work in software at a platform for their little personal identities. The "community" is absolutely not welcoming; it's actually outright exclusionary. They don't care, and they don't even pretend to care. I primary work with ruby and have for a few years now. I'd like to continue to do so. But I'm frequently discouraged by the fact that involvement with the community means dealing with people who are simply not nice people.

rjurney 18y ago

I'm not saying he's not right, I'm saying I couldn't stomach the post long enough to get to his long, drawn out conclusion. I refuse to read 1000 words when 25 would do. Every blog post by this guy is bitter shit. If he could control his rage long enough to compose his thoughts, he might not suck so much. As it is he rants and raves and complains and it sucks. Just my two cents though, I could be wrong.