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Seriously? I guess it is a shocker for them when they have been living sheltered lives with a silver spoon put in their mouth. Unless they have been living in a

by yoster 13y ago

Seriously? I guess it is a shocker for them when they have been living sheltered lives with a silver spoon put in their mouth. Unless they have been living in a bubble for most of their lives... This is nowhere near graphic. They are going to be lawyers and they think this is graphic? Well, these people are going to get a reality check when they get hired as lawyers.

ColinWright 13y ago
Not everyone who goes to Cambridge has/had a sheltered life, and not everyone had "a silver spoon put in their mouth." Your characterization of Cambridge students is somewhat offensive, and definitely inaccurate.
- yoster 13y ago
  You sound like you have also had a sheltered life as well! These people better stay far away as possible from public service as they WILL be experiencing far worse than this. When they get exposed to cases with child molesters, family violence, and even more heinous crimes, they better stick to corporate law or something similar. My assessment IS accurate of you though.
  - ColinWright 13y ago
    Yes, no doubt if they end up practising law they will meet things that are significantly worse than they have already encountered, and almost certainly significantly worse than they have personally experienced. However, there's a difference between meeting these things in practise, and meeting these things in an exam. There is such a thing as context, and meeting things you regard as inappropriate to the current context can be rather shocking. I agree with you entirely that, supposing they go on to practise in the relevant areas, they will meet things that are truly vile. But not all will, and when being examined on one's knowledge of law, one might not be expecting to meet things that are rather unpleasant. Personally I think it's a good thing that they are exposed to these sorts of things in an examination. When practising law they will be expected to perform even when personally discomposed. Having an examination that tests that ability is a good thing, although separating the effect of that from the ability to recall information and form an argument might be difficult. Maybe that isn't necessary. > My assessment IS accurate of you though. Hmm. I'm pleased for you that you know everything, must make life so much easier.
    - yoster 13y ago
      Well, I didn't mean to act like an ass, but you know as well as I do that this is a joke. Adults that are shocked at this is actually pretty stupid. If let's say a minor read this and was shocked, then well that would be completely understandable. Sorry to say, most colleges do have hazing issues and rampant rapes. You might not be exposed to it, but for students this day and age, many are aware.
      - ColinWright 13y ago
        Two things. Firstly, it would be interesting to know what the actual proportion is of colleges that have "hazing issues and rampant rapes." I'm sure it varies country by country, university by university, and so on. (Remember, at Cambridge (which is where this conversation started) there are colleges within the university. For example, Trinity and Peterhouse are separate colleges of Cambridge University). I'm sure it also varies with clubs, societies, and years. I joined many clubs/societies at Cambridge, and never once was exposed to any kind of hazing, not to any behavior that I thought was socially inappropriate sex-wise. (Which is not to say I'm unaware or sheltered. Given other contexts in my life, I almost certainly would have been aware, had it been present.) Secondly, being aware of such issues in the social context is usually, and some would argue should remain, separate from the material in an exam. As a math PhD I would have been shocked to discover the "word problem" setting of a question involving hazing and/or rape issues, even though some questions would lend themselves to such a setting. > Adults that are shocked at this is > actually pretty stupid. Adults that are shocked that such things happen might be ignorant and/or, but they are not necessarily stupid. To claim that such things ought to be on an exam, or are a natural setting for questions on an exam simply because they are "rampant" is an interesting position to take, and one that it seems you are not far from.
        yoster 13y ago
        I know MANY fucking brilliantly minded people that are socially fucking stupid. First off, I have never made the claim that such things ought to be on an exam, or are a natural setting for questions on an exam simply because they are "rampant". Stop putting fucking words in my mouth. You seem very sheltered in your location as RAPE happens everywhere. Name one university that is RAPE free that is co-ed. Many go unreported which compounds the issue. I am sure when you went to school hundreds of years ago with your clubs/socities that you were not exposed. You seem like a fucking dinosaur honestly as the related articles in there show your school has many issues with sexism and such.

by yoster 13y ago

ColinWright 13y ago

Not everyone who goes to Cambridge has/had a sheltered life, and not everyone had "a silver spoon put in their mouth." Your characterization of Cambridge students is somewhat offensive, and definitely inaccurate.

yoster 13y ago
You sound like you have also had a sheltered life as well! These people better stay far away as possible from public service as they WILL be experiencing far worse than this. When they get exposed to cases with child molesters, family violence, and even more heinous crimes, they better stick to corporate law or something similar. My assessment IS accurate of you though.
- ColinWright 13y ago
  Yes, no doubt if they end up practising law they will meet things that are significantly worse than they have already encountered, and almost certainly significantly worse than they have personally experienced. However, there's a difference between meeting these things in practise, and meeting these things in an exam. There is such a thing as context, and meeting things you regard as inappropriate to the current context can be rather shocking. I agree with you entirely that, supposing they go on to practise in the relevant areas, they will meet things that are truly vile. But not all will, and when being examined on one's knowledge of law, one might not be expecting to meet things that are rather unpleasant. Personally I think it's a good thing that they are exposed to these sorts of things in an examination. When practising law they will be expected to perform even when personally discomposed. Having an examination that tests that ability is a good thing, although separating the effect of that from the ability to recall information and form an argument might be difficult. Maybe that isn't necessary. > My assessment IS accurate of you though. Hmm. I'm pleased for you that you know everything, must make life so much easier.
  - yoster 13y ago
    Well, I didn't mean to act like an ass, but you know as well as I do that this is a joke. Adults that are shocked at this is actually pretty stupid. If let's say a minor read this and was shocked, then well that would be completely understandable. Sorry to say, most colleges do have hazing issues and rampant rapes. You might not be exposed to it, but for students this day and age, many are aware.
    - ColinWright 13y ago
      Two things. Firstly, it would be interesting to know what the actual proportion is of colleges that have "hazing issues and rampant rapes." I'm sure it varies country by country, university by university, and so on. (Remember, at Cambridge (which is where this conversation started) there are colleges within the university. For example, Trinity and Peterhouse are separate colleges of Cambridge University). I'm sure it also varies with clubs, societies, and years. I joined many clubs/societies at Cambridge, and never once was exposed to any kind of hazing, not to any behavior that I thought was socially inappropriate sex-wise. (Which is not to say I'm unaware or sheltered. Given other contexts in my life, I almost certainly would have been aware, had it been present.) Secondly, being aware of such issues in the social context is usually, and some would argue should remain, separate from the material in an exam. As a math PhD I would have been shocked to discover the "word problem" setting of a question involving hazing and/or rape issues, even though some questions would lend themselves to such a setting. > Adults that are shocked at this is > actually pretty stupid. Adults that are shocked that such things happen might be ignorant and/or, but they are not necessarily stupid. To claim that such things ought to be on an exam, or are a natural setting for questions on an exam simply because they are "rampant" is an interesting position to take, and one that it seems you are not far from.
      - yoster 13y ago
        I know MANY fucking brilliantly minded people that are socially fucking stupid. First off, I have never made the claim that such things ought to be on an exam, or are a natural setting for questions on an exam simply because they are "rampant". Stop putting fucking words in my mouth. You seem very sheltered in your location as RAPE happens everywhere. Name one university that is RAPE free that is co-ed. Many go unreported which compounds the issue. I am sure when you went to school hundreds of years ago with your clubs/socities that you were not exposed. You seem like a fucking dinosaur honestly as the related articles in there show your school has many issues with sexism and such.