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I agree with many of your points (uncool, sloganeering). But I find it interesting that you are saying the original idea is not worthy of consideration ('irrele

by dejb 17y ago

I agree with many of your points (uncool, sloganeering). But I find it interesting that you are saying the original idea is not worthy of consideration ('irrelevant') because you think it MIGHT be incorrect ('to the best of my knowledge'). There are actually a lot of contradictory reports on this but that isn't the point. To me it shows the disadvantages facing unpopular views when even you would so reflexively dismiss and vote this down.

SwellJoe 17y ago
because you think it MIGHT be incorrect ('to the best of my knowledge') I've heard no indication that eating pork is suspect in the outbreak, or has been indicated as the means of transmission in any case. There are actually a lot of contradictory reports on this but that isn't the point. This is entirely new to me; the post I responded to gave no such evidence (however suspect the evidence might be). But I suspect your evidence is also made up. The fellow I was responding to gave me no reason to believe he wasn't just making stuff up. And, a quick googling reveals that he was, in fact, just making stuff up. From the CDC: Can people catch swine flu from eating pork? No. Swine influenza viruses are not transmitted by food. You can not get swine influenza from eating pork or pork products. Reference: http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm
- hs 17y ago
  what stuff did i make up? it's your interpretation, to justify everything you said why so quick judging unpopular view as false? and why take what you're told (by govt) as true? can you be sure that there's no pressure from meat industry to government? this disease is pretty new, has cdc done large experiments on the effect of eating infected pigs to healty americans? if they have and the conclusion matched then i'm glad. don't you realize that your action, along with labelling me as self-righteous and teenager mimic what's described in what-you-cant-say? this is the last time i will say taboo. bye # echo "127.0.0.1 news.ycombinator.com" >> /etc/hosts
  - SwellJoe 17y ago
    this is the last time i will say taboo. bye # echo "127.0.0.1 news.ycombinator.com" >> /etc/hosts Somehow, I'm not saddened by your departure.
- dejb 17y ago
  I looked up the reference you provided and it says 'Eating properly handled and cooked pork and pork products is safe. Cooking pork to an internal temperature of 160°F kills the swine flu virus as it does other bacteria and viruses.' So you CAN get it from pork if it isn't cooked properly. Why are you twisting the truth? Didn't you notice this? In other news - 'China, Russia and Ukraine banned imports of pork and pork products from Mexico' Of course the original mutation that causes the virus to occur could easily have happened differently to the current means of transmission. I just cannot understand why you are so dismissive of the notion that pork could have something to do with this. Perhaps this subject is more taboo than I thought. Surely you can see now the the subject is at least worthy of discussion and should not be automatically shut down.
  - SwellJoe 17y ago
    So you CAN get it from pork if it isn't cooked properly. Why are you twisting the truth? Didn't you notice this? Actually, there is no evidence that you can, and you're twisting the truth by saying the paragraph says the exact opposite of what it actually says. The "cooked properly" thing is pretty much always included in mentions of pork by the CDC and other government entities, because of trichinosis, e-coli, and salmanella, and it is intended to further make it clear that not only are you not going to get swine flu from pork because it just doesn't work that way, when it is cooked it would kill off the virus, anyway. If you aren't cooking your pork properly, you're risking your life every time you eat pork, regardless of whether there is a swine flu pandemic underway. Undercooked meat is dangerous, nobody is arguing about that, but I've seen no reputable source say that the flu can be contracted from eating pork or any other meat. And, you have provided none. I just cannot understand why you are so dismissive of the notion that pork could have something to do with this. Perhaps this subject is more taboo than I thought. You can't understand that every reliable source I have at my disposal tells me you can't catch swine flu from eating pork. What do you hope to achieve by getting all riled up about something that simply is not a vector of infection for this disease? Take your crazy scaremongering over to twitter where people eat that kind of nonsense up like candy. Surely you can see now the the subject is at least worthy of discussion and should not be automatically shut down. Surely you're joking. You've provided no sources. There have been no cases of swine flu that are attributable to eating pork. What is there to discuss? No cases. No connection. Nothing but some random nuts on the Internet with a bone to pick. As I mentioned, I've been a vegetarian for over 15 years. I have zero interest in defending the meat industry. But, you're talking like a nutcase, and I don't find paranoid fantasies an interesting topic for discussion. Unless there is some evidence of a link between eating pork and the swine flu, it is a subject that is not worthy of discussion. It's just not interesting to argue about all the things that might (despite lack of evidence) cause someone to get sick. The rays from your monitor might be causing you to get cancer of the eyeball as we speak, and the use of a mouse might cause Parkinson's. There is no evidence...but it could happen. Shall we discuss that, too?

by dejb 17y ago

SwellJoe 17y ago

because you think it MIGHT be incorrect ('to the best of my knowledge') I've heard no indication that eating pork is suspect in the outbreak, or has been indicated as the means of transmission in any case. There are actually a lot of contradictory reports on this but that isn't the point. This is entirely new to me; the post I responded to gave no such evidence (however suspect the evidence might be). But I suspect your evidence is also made up. The fellow I was responding to gave me no reason to believe he wasn't just making stuff up. And, a quick googling reveals that he was, in fact, just making stuff up. From the CDC: Can people catch swine flu from eating pork? No. Swine influenza viruses are not transmitted by food. You can not get swine influenza from eating pork or pork products. Reference: http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm

hs 17y ago
what stuff did i make up? it's your interpretation, to justify everything you said why so quick judging unpopular view as false? and why take what you're told (by govt) as true? can you be sure that there's no pressure from meat industry to government? this disease is pretty new, has cdc done large experiments on the effect of eating infected pigs to healty americans? if they have and the conclusion matched then i'm glad. don't you realize that your action, along with labelling me as self-righteous and teenager mimic what's described in what-you-cant-say? this is the last time i will say taboo. bye # echo "127.0.0.1 news.ycombinator.com" >> /etc/hosts
- SwellJoe 17y ago
  this is the last time i will say taboo. bye # echo "127.0.0.1 news.ycombinator.com" >> /etc/hosts Somehow, I'm not saddened by your departure.
dejb 17y ago
I looked up the reference you provided and it says 'Eating properly handled and cooked pork and pork products is safe. Cooking pork to an internal temperature of 160°F kills the swine flu virus as it does other bacteria and viruses.' So you CAN get it from pork if it isn't cooked properly. Why are you twisting the truth? Didn't you notice this? In other news - 'China, Russia and Ukraine banned imports of pork and pork products from Mexico' Of course the original mutation that causes the virus to occur could easily have happened differently to the current means of transmission. I just cannot understand why you are so dismissive of the notion that pork could have something to do with this. Perhaps this subject is more taboo than I thought. Surely you can see now the the subject is at least worthy of discussion and should not be automatically shut down.
- SwellJoe 17y ago
  So you CAN get it from pork if it isn't cooked properly. Why are you twisting the truth? Didn't you notice this? Actually, there is no evidence that you can, and you're twisting the truth by saying the paragraph says the exact opposite of what it actually says. The "cooked properly" thing is pretty much always included in mentions of pork by the CDC and other government entities, because of trichinosis, e-coli, and salmanella, and it is intended to further make it clear that not only are you not going to get swine flu from pork because it just doesn't work that way, when it is cooked it would kill off the virus, anyway. If you aren't cooking your pork properly, you're risking your life every time you eat pork, regardless of whether there is a swine flu pandemic underway. Undercooked meat is dangerous, nobody is arguing about that, but I've seen no reputable source say that the flu can be contracted from eating pork or any other meat. And, you have provided none. I just cannot understand why you are so dismissive of the notion that pork could have something to do with this. Perhaps this subject is more taboo than I thought. You can't understand that every reliable source I have at my disposal tells me you can't catch swine flu from eating pork. What do you hope to achieve by getting all riled up about something that simply is not a vector of infection for this disease? Take your crazy scaremongering over to twitter where people eat that kind of nonsense up like candy. Surely you can see now the the subject is at least worthy of discussion and should not be automatically shut down. Surely you're joking. You've provided no sources. There have been no cases of swine flu that are attributable to eating pork. What is there to discuss? No cases. No connection. Nothing but some random nuts on the Internet with a bone to pick. As I mentioned, I've been a vegetarian for over 15 years. I have zero interest in defending the meat industry. But, you're talking like a nutcase, and I don't find paranoid fantasies an interesting topic for discussion. Unless there is some evidence of a link between eating pork and the swine flu, it is a subject that is not worthy of discussion. It's just not interesting to argue about all the things that might (despite lack of evidence) cause someone to get sick. The rays from your monitor might be causing you to get cancer of the eyeball as we speak, and the use of a mouse might cause Parkinson's. There is no evidence...but it could happen. Shall we discuss that, too?