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What I'm saying is that if you have real secrets it's a bad idea to share them to a subset online because it's trivial for that to get shared outside of that gr

What I'm saying is that if you have real secrets it's a bad idea to share them to a subset online because it's trivial for that to get shared outside of that group. I also think these situations are not the common case and because of this should not be the default. The ability to configure this exists within facebook.

lsc 13y ago
>What I'm saying is that if you have real secrets it's a bad idea to share them to a subset online because it's trivial for that to get shared outside of that group. Using a pseudonym can help a lot. I mean, it's not 100%, but it's really the best you've got. but yeah, that's what I think is wrong with both facebook and google plus; both expect us to have a single identity, and then to trust them to separate out our different faces to different groups. I mean, the big problem here is that they expect me to use my real name. Well, facebook never was a professional network. It started out as the 'get me a date' context, but is now solidly in the 'family' context. Problem is? it uses my real name. Like most people, I've chosen to use my real name in the business context, so I've now got bleedthrough. (I mean, for me, that bleedthrough isn't going to get me thrown in jail- it's mostly about having to deal with two sets of inboxes with dramatically different priorities. This would be a much bigger deal if i was sharing family secrets I didn't want generally known in my professional context, or something like that.)
einhverfr 13y ago
But again, that's what's wrong with facebook. The Zucherberg has basically said he things we need less privacy, but humans need that safe place, and a society without privacy doesn't offer that. The thing is many facebook users understand that.
- stephengillie 13y ago
  The problem isnt Facebook, the problem is People who have built their lives on the skeletons in their closet, and technology allowing people to know more about each other. Your neighbors know tons about you, but you're only worried about people working in datacenters.
  - einhverfr 13y ago
    It isn't just that though. It's that you have a lot of information now that can be ripped out of context and used to create a very different narrative. I have said before and I will say again, Facebook is primarily useful as a tool for self-marketing, not for socializing. If you aren't marketing yourself and trying carefully to create a specific image, you are better off elsewhere.

lsc 13y ago

>What I'm saying is that if you have real secrets it's a bad idea to share them to a subset online because it's trivial for that to get shared outside of that group. Using a pseudonym can help a lot. I mean, it's not 100%, but it's really the best you've got. but yeah, that's what I think is wrong with both facebook and google plus; both expect us to have a single identity, and then to trust them to separate out our different faces to different groups. I mean, the big problem here is that they expect me to use my real name. Well, facebook never was a professional network. It started out as the 'get me a date' context, but is now solidly in the 'family' context. Problem is? it uses my real name. Like most people, I've chosen to use my real name in the business context, so I've now got bleedthrough. (I mean, for me, that bleedthrough isn't going to get me thrown in jail- it's mostly about having to deal with two sets of inboxes with dramatically different priorities. This would be a much bigger deal if i was sharing family secrets I didn't want generally known in my professional context, or something like that.)

einhverfr 13y ago

But again, that's what's wrong with facebook. The Zucherberg has basically said he things we need less privacy, but humans need that safe place, and a society without privacy doesn't offer that. The thing is many facebook users understand that.

stephengillie 13y ago
The problem isnt Facebook, the problem is People who have built their lives on the skeletons in their closet, and technology allowing people to know more about each other. Your neighbors know tons about you, but you're only worried about people working in datacenters.
- einhverfr 13y ago
  It isn't just that though. It's that you have a lot of information now that can be ripped out of context and used to create a very different narrative. I have said before and I will say again, Facebook is primarily useful as a tool for self-marketing, not for socializing. If you aren't marketing yourself and trying carefully to create a specific image, you are better off elsewhere.