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yesterday i made a comment in swine flu thread: "can *.flu spread to plant? go vegetarian!" i got -8 or so, at first i wonder if my post is irrelevant to the f

by hs 17y ago

yesterday i made a comment in swine flu thread: "can *.flu spread to plant? go vegetarian!" i got -8 or so, at first i wonder if my post is irrelevant to the flu discussion. none of the replies indicates that. reality is they don't like the 'go vegetarian' thing: unhelpful, unfeasible, malnutrition, deficiencies and more ridiculously labeling me as 'pusing an agenda' just about everything like in pg's essay ... i said the taboo -- maybe i should keep the secret and live longer (read 'the china study' for scientific references) hn, why so afraid? not eating meat won't kill you ... it's definitely legal and non-addictive ... about as harmful as giving up tv just try it like a month or so, don't you like experimenting, go against the norm? are you not a hacker?

SwellJoe 17y ago
I've been a vegetarian for 15 years. I would have voted such a comment down, simply because it is irrelevant. It is irrelevant because no one has contracted swine flu from eating pork, to the best of my knowledge. I'm tempted to vote this comment down because it is complaining about you being voted down in a wholly unrelated thread. (See the site guidelines. Complaining about votes is distinctly uncool.) And while I'm providing constructive feedback, your erratic use of punctuation, lack of capitalization, aggressive tone, and generally sounding like a self-righteous teenager all leave me feeling a bit negative towards you. I'm sure you're a very fine person in real life, but I'd prefer it if you weren't trying to start arguments in threads that aren't even about the topic you've decided to talk about.
- hs 17y ago
  by definition, putting pork meat in mouth puts one in extremely close proximity to swine no i'm never complain about being voted down, if it's really about karma, i won't say taboo things my prev post is relevant because i happened to experience what pg described in his essay sorry about the 'challenge', but really, i'm curious how many will take it ah right, judging someone from grammar is a very rational thing to do
  - Jem 17y ago
    > by definition, putting pork meat in mouth puts one in extremely close proximity to swine Dead, cooked 'swine'. Entirely different to getting up close and personal with an infected live pig.
  - mark-t 17y ago
    > ah right, judging someone from grammar is a very rational thing to do I think you just turned "rational" into a label. Apart from your attempt at sarcasm, this statement is probably true. Like it or not, your ability to structure sentences reflects your ability to structure thoughts.
    - Raplh 17y ago
      It almost certainly correlates better with how recently you leared English than with your ability to structrue thoughts.
      - mark-t 17y ago
        I agree, up to perhaps a log-log scale. My grammar isn't likely to be significantly better in 30 years. However, when comparing among groups with similar English experience, grammar is likely to have a reasonable correlation with well-structured arguments. Also, the amount of time since learning English is not under your control; adherence to the rules of grammar is.
        SwellJoe 17y ago
        Perhaps more importantly, it wasn't actually grammar that I criticized. It was erratic use of punctuation (which was clearly for effect and to catch attention rather than clarity), lack of appropriate capitalization (which negatively impacts readability, and definitely doesn't require extreme English skills to get right), aggressive tone (which I find annoying pretty much anytime I see it on the Internet, as it provides no value), and sounding like a self-righteous teenager (which everybody older than ~24 finds irritating). Though one could argue that capitalization and punctuation are components of grammar, I used specific terms rather than a general one for a reason. I tend to be quite forgiving of grammatical mistakes that can be attributed to native language differences and different levels of skill with English. But, I'm less forgiving of things that are very easy to control and get right, even for non-native speakers, and that negatively impact my ability to read and understand. When wrapped in negativity and an aggressive tone, I tend to feel negative towards the person. So, I explained why his tone made me feel negative towards him, and why I thought people were voting him down. I thought I was providing a helpful suggestion for how he could better present himself and his ideas on HN, but one can only do so much to be helpful.
- dejb 17y ago
  I agree with many of your points (uncool, sloganeering). But I find it interesting that you are saying the original idea is not worthy of consideration ('irrelevant') because you think it MIGHT be incorrect ('to the best of my knowledge'). There are actually a lot of contradictory reports on this but that isn't the point. To me it shows the disadvantages facing unpopular views when even you would so reflexively dismiss and vote this down.
  - SwellJoe 17y ago
    because you think it MIGHT be incorrect ('to the best of my knowledge') I've heard no indication that eating pork is suspect in the outbreak, or has been indicated as the means of transmission in any case. There are actually a lot of contradictory reports on this but that isn't the point. This is entirely new to me; the post I responded to gave no such evidence (however suspect the evidence might be). But I suspect your evidence is also made up. The fellow I was responding to gave me no reason to believe he wasn't just making stuff up. And, a quick googling reveals that he was, in fact, just making stuff up. From the CDC: Can people catch swine flu from eating pork? No. Swine influenza viruses are not transmitted by food. You can not get swine influenza from eating pork or pork products. Reference: http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm
    - hs 17y ago
      what stuff did i make up? it's your interpretation, to justify everything you said why so quick judging unpopular view as false? and why take what you're told (by govt) as true? can you be sure that there's no pressure from meat industry to government? this disease is pretty new, has cdc done large experiments on the effect of eating infected pigs to healty americans? if they have and the conclusion matched then i'm glad. don't you realize that your action, along with labelling me as self-righteous and teenager mimic what's described in what-you-cant-say? this is the last time i will say taboo. bye # echo "127.0.0.1 news.ycombinator.com" >> /etc/hosts
      - SwellJoe 17y ago

by hs 17y ago

SwellJoe 17y ago

I've been a vegetarian for 15 years. I would have voted such a comment down, simply because it is irrelevant. It is irrelevant because no one has contracted swine flu from eating pork, to the best of my knowledge. I'm tempted to vote this comment down because it is complaining about you being voted down in a wholly unrelated thread. (See the site guidelines. Complaining about votes is distinctly uncool.) And while I'm providing constructive feedback, your erratic use of punctuation, lack of capitalization, aggressive tone, and generally sounding like a self-righteous teenager all leave me feeling a bit negative towards you. I'm sure you're a very fine person in real life, but I'd prefer it if you weren't trying to start arguments in threads that aren't even about the topic you've decided to talk about.

hs 17y ago
by definition, putting pork meat in mouth puts one in extremely close proximity to swine no i'm never complain about being voted down, if it's really about karma, i won't say taboo things my prev post is relevant because i happened to experience what pg described in his essay sorry about the 'challenge', but really, i'm curious how many will take it ah right, judging someone from grammar is a very rational thing to do
- Jem 17y ago
  > by definition, putting pork meat in mouth puts one in extremely close proximity to swine Dead, cooked 'swine'. Entirely different to getting up close and personal with an infected live pig.
- mark-t 17y ago
  > ah right, judging someone from grammar is a very rational thing to do I think you just turned "rational" into a label. Apart from your attempt at sarcasm, this statement is probably true. Like it or not, your ability to structure sentences reflects your ability to structure thoughts.
  - Raplh 17y ago
    It almost certainly correlates better with how recently you leared English than with your ability to structrue thoughts.
    - mark-t 17y ago
      I agree, up to perhaps a log-log scale. My grammar isn't likely to be significantly better in 30 years. However, when comparing among groups with similar English experience, grammar is likely to have a reasonable correlation with well-structured arguments. Also, the amount of time since learning English is not under your control; adherence to the rules of grammar is.
      - SwellJoe 17y ago
        Perhaps more importantly, it wasn't actually grammar that I criticized. It was erratic use of punctuation (which was clearly for effect and to catch attention rather than clarity), lack of appropriate capitalization (which negatively impacts readability, and definitely doesn't require extreme English skills to get right), aggressive tone (which I find annoying pretty much anytime I see it on the Internet, as it provides no value), and sounding like a self-righteous teenager (which everybody older than ~24 finds irritating). Though one could argue that capitalization and punctuation are components of grammar, I used specific terms rather than a general one for a reason. I tend to be quite forgiving of grammatical mistakes that can be attributed to native language differences and different levels of skill with English. But, I'm less forgiving of things that are very easy to control and get right, even for non-native speakers, and that negatively impact my ability to read and understand. When wrapped in negativity and an aggressive tone, I tend to feel negative towards the person. So, I explained why his tone made me feel negative towards him, and why I thought people were voting him down. I thought I was providing a helpful suggestion for how he could better present himself and his ideas on HN, but one can only do so much to be helpful.
dejb 17y ago
I agree with many of your points (uncool, sloganeering). But I find it interesting that you are saying the original idea is not worthy of consideration ('irrelevant') because you think it MIGHT be incorrect ('to the best of my knowledge'). There are actually a lot of contradictory reports on this but that isn't the point. To me it shows the disadvantages facing unpopular views when even you would so reflexively dismiss and vote this down.
- SwellJoe 17y ago
  because you think it MIGHT be incorrect ('to the best of my knowledge') I've heard no indication that eating pork is suspect in the outbreak, or has been indicated as the means of transmission in any case. There are actually a lot of contradictory reports on this but that isn't the point. This is entirely new to me; the post I responded to gave no such evidence (however suspect the evidence might be). But I suspect your evidence is also made up. The fellow I was responding to gave me no reason to believe he wasn't just making stuff up. And, a quick googling reveals that he was, in fact, just making stuff up. From the CDC: Can people catch swine flu from eating pork? No. Swine influenza viruses are not transmitted by food. You can not get swine influenza from eating pork or pork products. Reference: http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/key_facts.htm
  - hs 17y ago
    what stuff did i make up? it's your interpretation, to justify everything you said why so quick judging unpopular view as false? and why take what you're told (by govt) as true? can you be sure that there's no pressure from meat industry to government? this disease is pretty new, has cdc done large experiments on the effect of eating infected pigs to healty americans? if they have and the conclusion matched then i'm glad. don't you realize that your action, along with labelling me as self-righteous and teenager mimic what's described in what-you-cant-say? this is the last time i will say taboo. bye # echo "127.0.0.1 news.ycombinator.com" >> /etc/hosts
    - SwellJoe 17y ago