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I'm not sure about you, but the level of effort required to keep my emacs.d up to date and the level of effort required for each project has turned me away from

I'm not sure about you, but the level of effort required to keep my emacs.d up to date and the level of effort required for each project has turned me away from emacs as my main development environment.

philsnow 13y ago
How much effort do you have to put in to keep your .emacs.d up to date ? I only started using emacs in emacs 22, so I haven't had to keep things working for 5-10 major releases like I'm sure some people have, but my init.el and .emacs.d have been pretty static the whole time.
- monkmartinez 13y ago
  Do you follow @melpa_emacs on twitter? Packages are not static by a loooooong shot. I am mainly interested in using emacs for Python, Org-mode, JS, HTML. In terms of years of use, I am on year three or so... but I like to keep my shit on lock. My biggest mistake was trying Pycharm. Now I constantly compare Emacs to Pycharm... and it just doesn't compare.
  - philsnow 13y ago
    I build my emacs from trunk every ~1-3 months for No Good Reason (tm), and I scarcely ever have anything in my own configuration (init.el, custom.el, various random things I've installed in ~/.emacs.d) break. (I also edit python in emacs regularly, not sure what's changed in the last N years)
  - easytiger 13y ago
    if you don't need the features or bug fixes don't upgrade. You simply have status anxiety
gbog 13y ago
Same with vim, if you add every fantastic and absolutely necessary tweak you read on the blogs, you get somethin much slower than eclipse in a week.
- irahul 13y ago
  > Same with vim, if you add every fantastic and absolutely necessary tweak you read on the blogs, you get somethin much slower than eclipse in a week. I am not sure what you mean by "every tweak" but fwiw: $ ls ~/.vim/bundle | wc -l 45 $ wc -l ~/.vimrc 401 /home/rahul/.vimrc $ vim --startuptime vim.log $ ruby -ne 'print if 2..7 or $. == 151' vim.log times in msec clock self+sourced self: sourced script clock elapsed: other lines 000.810 000.810: --- VIM STARTING --- 217.536 000.003: --- VIM STARTED --- > you get somethin much slower than eclipse in a week. In a week? 6 years and counting.
jamii 13y ago
I just use emacs-live (https://github.com/overtone/emacs-live https://github.com/overtone/emacs-live) with a few tweaks (https://github.com/jamii/emacs-live-packs https://github.com/jamii/emacs-live-packs) so most of the work is done by someone else.
nahreally 13y ago
I just use Elpa, cross my fingers, and try not to tweak or memorize too many things. I am rather happy like that.
jlarocco 13y ago
I don't really understand your comment. What are you doing with emacs.d that requires a burdensome level of effort to keep it "up to date"? What does that even mean? I've been using Emacs almost 10 years, and I very infrequently modify my emacs.d, and I don't know many people who do. Sure, I could spend a lot of time tweaking it and messing around with it, but it'd be an entirely self inflicted thing, and not the fault of Emacs. I could spend all day fiddling with .vimrc, or the Visual Studio settings, too. I also don't understand the what you mean by "the level of effort required for each project" in the context of Emacs. What "project"s are you talking about?

philsnow 13y ago

How much effort do you have to put in to keep your .emacs.d up to date ? I only started using emacs in emacs 22, so I haven't had to keep things working for 5-10 major releases like I'm sure some people have, but my init.el and .emacs.d have been pretty static the whole time.

monkmartinez 13y ago
Do you follow @melpa_emacs on twitter? Packages are not static by a loooooong shot. I am mainly interested in using emacs for Python, Org-mode, JS, HTML. In terms of years of use, I am on year three or so... but I like to keep my shit on lock. My biggest mistake was trying Pycharm. Now I constantly compare Emacs to Pycharm... and it just doesn't compare.
- philsnow 13y ago
  I build my emacs from trunk every ~1-3 months for No Good Reason (tm), and I scarcely ever have anything in my own configuration (init.el, custom.el, various random things I've installed in ~/.emacs.d) break. (I also edit python in emacs regularly, not sure what's changed in the last N years)
- easytiger 13y ago
  if you don't need the features or bug fixes don't upgrade. You simply have status anxiety

gbog 13y ago

Same with vim, if you add every fantastic and absolutely necessary tweak you read on the blogs, you get somethin much slower than eclipse in a week.

irahul 13y ago
> Same with vim, if you add every fantastic and absolutely necessary tweak you read on the blogs, you get somethin much slower than eclipse in a week. I am not sure what you mean by "every tweak" but fwiw: $ ls ~/.vim/bundle | wc -l 45 $ wc -l ~/.vimrc 401 /home/rahul/.vimrc $ vim --startuptime vim.log $ ruby -ne 'print if 2..7 or $. == 151' vim.log times in msec clock self+sourced self: sourced script clock elapsed: other lines 000.810 000.810: --- VIM STARTING --- 217.536 000.003: --- VIM STARTED --- > you get somethin much slower than eclipse in a week. In a week? 6 years and counting.

jamii 13y ago

I just use emacs-live (https://github.com/overtone/emacs-live https://github.com/overtone/emacs-live) with a few tweaks (https://github.com/jamii/emacs-live-packs https://github.com/jamii/emacs-live-packs) so most of the work is done by someone else.

nahreally 13y ago

I just use Elpa, cross my fingers, and try not to tweak or memorize too many things. I am rather happy like that.

jlarocco 13y ago

I don't really understand your comment. What are you doing with emacs.d that requires a burdensome level of effort to keep it "up to date"? What does that even mean? I've been using Emacs almost 10 years, and I very infrequently modify my emacs.d, and I don't know many people who do. Sure, I could spend a lot of time tweaking it and messing around with it, but it'd be an entirely self inflicted thing, and not the fault of Emacs. I could spend all day fiddling with .vimrc, or the Visual Studio settings, too. I also don't understand the what you mean by "the level of effort required for each project" in the context of Emacs. What "project"s are you talking about?