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I read, listened hundreds of things about events, but honestly, all I see is vague hand wavy things about the real cause. "Lack of adequate response.. No offici

by mda 13y ago

I read, listened hundreds of things about events, but honestly, all I see is vague hand wavy things about the real cause. "Lack of adequate response.. No official plans to celebrate May 19.. No alcohol sale after 10pm.." Seriously? I maen really?, To me this this whole mess seems to be reduced to "Hey police pepper sprayed my friend yesterday, and btw I also hate this government and PM. I am going in." reaction.

Jun8 13y ago
Many Turkish people interpret these as important signs, there are many more, which, when listed in isolation sound small (e.g. ban on red lipstick for Turkish Airlines female flight attendants), but when taken together and in the context of Erdogan's no-reconciliation-no-matter-what tone are quite alarming. As for the "police sprayed my friend yesterday", it wasn't just that, the level of brutality was amazing.
- afsina 13y ago
  So pink lipstick is allowed? Please. Those things are better explained with Hanlon's Razor rather than a sinister grand scheme set by evil government. After the initial protests, indeed it really boils down to an unrest against police brutality in first days. I cannot see any compelling reason other than that. And now they are just protesting for sake of protesting (sadly with vandalism and aggression).
makmanalp 13y ago
Let me give you a quick chronology of what happened. It was a peaceful sit in in May 27th to 30th. On the 30th at 5am, police walked in and tear gassed protestors and burned their tents. Strike #1. People gathered back at 1pm, and did yet another peaceful sit in. Protestors red eachother and the police books, sang songs. Police attacked them yet again with tear gas and pressurized water. Strike #2. They kept doing do over and over again for the next few days even though the protestors STILL were not causing damage. Strike #3. They, "unknown" civilian groups were photographed, carrying sticks and beating people while the police is holding them. Police beating people. Police aiming with tear gas guns at people and hitting them with it at close range (can cause severe trauma by the sheer speed of the canister), and then dancing afterwards in joy. Strike #4. Also, you seem to be a Turkish speaker, so you know the significance of all those things that you're saying "Seriously?" to. Trivializing it won't help.
- mda 13y ago
  I am not trivializing, I am away from the country for long time, I am really trying to understand. So from what you wrote I think that you agree with me, they are mainly rioting because police is using excessive force to rioters?

by mda 13y ago

Jun8 13y ago

Many Turkish people interpret these as important signs, there are many more, which, when listed in isolation sound small (e.g. ban on red lipstick for Turkish Airlines female flight attendants), but when taken together and in the context of Erdogan's no-reconciliation-no-matter-what tone are quite alarming. As for the "police sprayed my friend yesterday", it wasn't just that, the level of brutality was amazing.

afsina 13y ago
So pink lipstick is allowed? Please. Those things are better explained with Hanlon's Razor rather than a sinister grand scheme set by evil government. After the initial protests, indeed it really boils down to an unrest against police brutality in first days. I cannot see any compelling reason other than that. And now they are just protesting for sake of protesting (sadly with vandalism and aggression).

makmanalp 13y ago

Let me give you a quick chronology of what happened. It was a peaceful sit in in May 27th to 30th. On the 30th at 5am, police walked in and tear gassed protestors and burned their tents. Strike #1. People gathered back at 1pm, and did yet another peaceful sit in. Protestors red eachother and the police books, sang songs. Police attacked them yet again with tear gas and pressurized water. Strike #2. They kept doing do over and over again for the next few days even though the protestors STILL were not causing damage. Strike #3. They, "unknown" civilian groups were photographed, carrying sticks and beating people while the police is holding them. Police beating people. Police aiming with tear gas guns at people and hitting them with it at close range (can cause severe trauma by the sheer speed of the canister), and then dancing afterwards in joy. Strike #4. Also, you seem to be a Turkish speaker, so you know the significance of all those things that you're saying "Seriously?" to. Trivializing it won't help.

mda 13y ago
I am not trivializing, I am away from the country for long time, I am really trying to understand. So from what you wrote I think that you agree with me, they are mainly rioting because police is using excessive force to rioters?