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What is currently going on in Turkey is the Islamist ruling party pushing hard to make the country much more conservative instead of secular, all the while push

by kposehn 13y ago

What is currently going on in Turkey is the Islamist ruling party pushing hard to make the country much more conservative instead of secular, all the while pushing their way back into the Arab world to regain their clout and power. The youths are protesting because what was once a fairly liberal set of standards is rapidly being removed. Ironically, it was the military that protected this set of freedoms.

Perceval 13y ago
There's nothing ironic about that. The military in Turkey have styled themselves the defenders of Ataturk's constitution, which enshrined certain "Kemalist" values like secularism, republicanism, and populism. They've engaged in military coups several times in the history of Turkey in order to (ostensibly) protect the constitution. In the past they've removed any leader that was deemed too politically religious. Erdogan's big accomplishment was to be moderate enough in his political Islamism that he didn't trigger a military coup. Further, the European Union disapproved of Turkey's history of military coups, making it clear that they weren't going to admit a country that relied on military coups to defend its constitution from democracy. So the military did not remove Erdogan, despite the AKP's moderate Islamic agenda. The military is a conservative force in Turkish society insofar as it defends an interpretation of the constitution and politics rooted in Ataturk's ideology from the 1920s. But it is not a conservative force in the socially conservative political Islam sense. You should not be surprised that secular urban youth and the Turkish military end up on the same side.
- ludwigvan 13y ago
  Good stuff. Though, it is better to say military used to be like that, as currently, all the generals including the leading general 3 years ago have been jailed, so indeed military is very powerless now. It is not only that AKP did not trigger the coup, it is that they learned from the mistakes of their political ancestors, and this time, crushed the military before moving on to their real Islamist plans.

by kposehn 13y ago

Perceval 13y ago

There's nothing ironic about that. The military in Turkey have styled themselves the defenders of Ataturk's constitution, which enshrined certain "Kemalist" values like secularism, republicanism, and populism. They've engaged in military coups several times in the history of Turkey in order to (ostensibly) protect the constitution. In the past they've removed any leader that was deemed too politically religious. Erdogan's big accomplishment was to be moderate enough in his political Islamism that he didn't trigger a military coup. Further, the European Union disapproved of Turkey's history of military coups, making it clear that they weren't going to admit a country that relied on military coups to defend its constitution from democracy. So the military did not remove Erdogan, despite the AKP's moderate Islamic agenda. The military is a conservative force in Turkish society insofar as it defends an interpretation of the constitution and politics rooted in Ataturk's ideology from the 1920s. But it is not a conservative force in the socially conservative political Islam sense. You should not be surprised that secular urban youth and the Turkish military end up on the same side.

ludwigvan 13y ago
Good stuff. Though, it is better to say military used to be like that, as currently, all the generals including the leading general 3 years ago have been jailed, so indeed military is very powerless now. It is not only that AKP did not trigger the coup, it is that they learned from the mistakes of their political ancestors, and this time, crushed the military before moving on to their real Islamist plans.