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Just because you can type them into google doesn't mean they're 'easily researchable'. How many shopping malls in NYC? https://maps.google.com/maps?q=shopping+

by glurgh 13y ago

Just because you can type them into google doesn't mean they're 'easily researchable'. How many shopping malls in NYC? https://maps.google.com/maps?q=shopping+mall&hl=en&ll=40.730348,-73.993092&spn=0.074277,0.119648&sll=40.714476,-74.005966&sspn=0.074295,0.119648&gl=us&hq=shopping+mall&t=m&z=13 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=shopping+mall&hl=en&l... These results seem pretty lousy and not particularly different from those from Istanbul.

buro9 13y ago
That is why I checked them before posting, viewed web sites and confirmed that the majority of results are actually shopping malls. That's a really bad set of results for NYC though.
iaskwhy 13y ago
Well, I've been to both cities for two weeks and I didn't find any mall in NYC (I'm sure there must be some, I just didn't find them) while in Istanbul they are really everywhere, you cannot ignore them if not only because they are usually guarded by security people with riffles. Here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopping_malls_in_Istanbul http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopping_malls_in_Istan... They are usually huge. I was very surprise because in my home country, Portugal, we used to believe we had a lot of malls (we do) but Istanbul is just unbelievable. Back to Istanbul, in Levent (near the financial district) you can have three right next to each other. On one of my stays there my hotel was actually around the corner from one of this malls.
- glurgh 13y ago
  I don't have any trouble believing there are many malls in Istanbul. I do have some trouble believing you can reasonably answer whether they are too many by just checking on the internet. In fact, as you point out, it's possible to visit NYC and not notice how many there are. I also have some difficulty with the idea that people are heading out to the streets, risking life and limb, in multiple cities across Turkey just because of a mall in Istanbul. The notion that we can figure this out just by hitting google maps seems obviously wrong.
  - mpyne 13y ago
    Well, this exact crisis has been on Reddit for a couple of days and I even saw it on BBC News's online front page last night. I can't tell you exactly why people are doing it but it certainly sounds like a demonstration against a shopping mall was the spark.
    - glurgh 13y ago
      Oh that part seems plausible. The bit that seems like over-reaching is that we can easily and quickly gain some insight into the situation by hitting google maps. Mohamed Bouazizi's suicide sparked popular protests in Tunisia and subsequently, across the middle east. Is there a lot we can learn about the Arab Spring by googling 'street vendors, Ben Arous'? Probably not.
  - erikpukinskis 13y ago
    You talk as if you care about uncovering the truth, then in the face of: * The original claim on the blog * Some research a poster here helpfully did using Google maps and web searches to verify * Stories from multiple people who have visited Istanbul in person and can compare to other european cities ... you are still banging the drum of "You can't answer a question just by checking the internet!" I wonder: what kind of evidence would get you to the point where you might believe such a claim?

by glurgh 13y ago

buro9 13y ago

That is why I checked them before posting, viewed web sites and confirmed that the majority of results are actually shopping malls. That's a really bad set of results for NYC though.

iaskwhy 13y ago

Well, I've been to both cities for two weeks and I didn't find any mall in NYC (I'm sure there must be some, I just didn't find them) while in Istanbul they are really everywhere, you cannot ignore them if not only because they are usually guarded by security people with riffles. Here's a list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopping_malls_in_Istanbul http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopping_malls_in_Istan... They are usually huge. I was very surprise because in my home country, Portugal, we used to believe we had a lot of malls (we do) but Istanbul is just unbelievable. Back to Istanbul, in Levent (near the financial district) you can have three right next to each other. On one of my stays there my hotel was actually around the corner from one of this malls.

glurgh 13y ago
I don't have any trouble believing there are many malls in Istanbul. I do have some trouble believing you can reasonably answer whether they are too many by just checking on the internet. In fact, as you point out, it's possible to visit NYC and not notice how many there are. I also have some difficulty with the idea that people are heading out to the streets, risking life and limb, in multiple cities across Turkey just because of a mall in Istanbul. The notion that we can figure this out just by hitting google maps seems obviously wrong.
- mpyne 13y ago
  Well, this exact crisis has been on Reddit for a couple of days and I even saw it on BBC News's online front page last night. I can't tell you exactly why people are doing it but it certainly sounds like a demonstration against a shopping mall was the spark.
  - glurgh 13y ago
    Oh that part seems plausible. The bit that seems like over-reaching is that we can easily and quickly gain some insight into the situation by hitting google maps. Mohamed Bouazizi's suicide sparked popular protests in Tunisia and subsequently, across the middle east. Is there a lot we can learn about the Arab Spring by googling 'street vendors, Ben Arous'? Probably not.
- erikpukinskis 13y ago
  You talk as if you care about uncovering the truth, then in the face of: * The original claim on the blog * Some research a poster here helpfully did using Google maps and web searches to verify * Stories from multiple people who have visited Istanbul in person and can compare to other european cities ... you are still banging the drum of "You can't answer a question just by checking the internet!" I wonder: what kind of evidence would get you to the point where you might believe such a claim?