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> Two young people were run over by the tanks and were killed. That is extremely serious. My condolences with those who lost their lives, and best wishes for y

> Two young people were run over by the tanks and were killed. That is extremely serious. My condolences with those who lost their lives, and best wishes for your friend to recover from her injury. While we all discuss and throw ourselves around when a dying industry (read Hollywood) misbehaves and tries to screw with our Internet freedoms, free speech etc. I wonder what would when happen when the same fate, and it is coming, falls on the Governments of the world. A dying model of Governance could take things to a rather unprecedented level of nastiness and cruelty.

spot 13y ago
true, but the mainstream press (guardian, nytimes etc) has not confirmed the fatalities, and it's been a while. they might just be rumors that get distorted, that kind of thing is pretty easy to happen. i too rereported them, but now i am beginning to wonder if it has really happened.
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- iaskwhy 13y ago
  According to Russia Today: "At least two people were killed in the demonstrations in Turkey, Amnesty International said on Sunday. Over 1,000 protestors were injured. Most of them were hurt near Taksim Square in Istanbul, the focal point of the recent protest." On the Amnesty International blog they wrote this (but it does not talk about any deaths): http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=20803 http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=20803
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    - iaskwhy 13y ago
      I agree RT is not the most credible source, that's why I went to the AI blog. Still, it's one of the few international tv channels broadcasting from Taksim Square, if not the only.
      - pionar 13y ago
        AI isn't exactly an impartial source either. That's not a news article, it's an editorial.
        iaskwhy 13y ago
        Can't say I understand your comment. RT published an article saying AI said something so I went to AI to verify if they really said it and they didn't. What's your point? If the idea is talking about reliable sources then we will have a hard time finding one when even the NYT was able to justify a war with false data... Sure, noone's 100% reliable and that's why you check several sources. That's actually what I did on this thread, check my other comments with more sources.
        wavefunction 13y ago
        pionar obviously has an interest in disbelieving, for whatever weird reason
        pionar 13y ago
        Never said it was disbelief, just pointing out that AI is not a reliable source for news. But, I misunderstood the parent's point. So I stand corrected.
    - DigitalJack 13y ago
      Agent orange is an herbicide.
mseebach 13y ago
"We" don't really do anything consistently. When it's Hollywood or SOPA or NSLs or wiretaps "we" are passionately anti-government, when it's AirBnB or Uber flaunting local restrictions, "we" are very skeptical and when it's Google not paying enough tax, "we" are government cheerleaders. That said: > A dying model of Governance could take things to a rather unprecedented level of nastiness and cruelty. You haven't paid much attention these last 250 years?
- trotsky 13y ago
  Doesn't that just sound like "we're" pro citizen?
  - mseebach 13y ago
    Any half-competent political hack can spin anything so it's "pro citizen". A staggering proportion of citizens are in favour for the privacy/security trade off, it's just that We Know Better(tm). Of course Google and Apple should pay their fair share, I just can't get excited about it, I don't see how adding more money to the same semi-corrupt deeply immoral special interests buffet that brought you SOPA, and simultaneously distracting from the ongoing scandals of the political system, benefits anyone but the politicians.
    - trotsky 13y ago
      you don't think government spending benefits anyone but politicians? So for instance, medicare only benefits politicians?
      - mseebach 13y ago
        Well, Medicare is underfunded to the tune of $38T. If all of Google and Apple was liquified at current market cap and put towards funding that liability, it would be underfunded by at little more than $37T. Retroactively cancelling the Iraq and Afghanistan wars would give you cash to knock the number down to $36T. Of course people benefiting from Medicare benefits from Medicare, but "championing" Medicare benefits only politicians, because they know better than anyone else that it's going to go away, soon, but they'll happily lie about it in order to get reelected while they wait for it to happen.

spot 13y ago

true, but the mainstream press (guardian, nytimes etc) has not confirmed the fatalities, and it's been a while. they might just be rumors that get distorted, that kind of thing is pretty easy to happen. i too rereported them, but now i am beginning to wonder if it has really happened.

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iaskwhy 13y ago
According to Russia Today: "At least two people were killed in the demonstrations in Turkey, Amnesty International said on Sunday. Over 1,000 protestors were injured. Most of them were hurt near Taksim Square in Istanbul, the focal point of the recent protest." On the Amnesty International blog they wrote this (but it does not talk about any deaths): http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=20803 http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=20803
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  - iaskwhy 13y ago
    I agree RT is not the most credible source, that's why I went to the AI blog. Still, it's one of the few international tv channels broadcasting from Taksim Square, if not the only.
    - pionar 13y ago
      AI isn't exactly an impartial source either. That's not a news article, it's an editorial.
      - iaskwhy 13y ago
        Can't say I understand your comment. RT published an article saying AI said something so I went to AI to verify if they really said it and they didn't. What's your point? If the idea is talking about reliable sources then we will have a hard time finding one when even the NYT was able to justify a war with false data... Sure, noone's 100% reliable and that's why you check several sources. That's actually what I did on this thread, check my other comments with more sources.
        wavefunction 13y ago
        pionar obviously has an interest in disbelieving, for whatever weird reason
        pionar 13y ago
        Never said it was disbelief, just pointing out that AI is not a reliable source for news. But, I misunderstood the parent's point. So I stand corrected.
  - DigitalJack 13y ago
    Agent orange is an herbicide.

mseebach 13y ago

"We" don't really do anything consistently. When it's Hollywood or SOPA or NSLs or wiretaps "we" are passionately anti-government, when it's AirBnB or Uber flaunting local restrictions, "we" are very skeptical and when it's Google not paying enough tax, "we" are government cheerleaders. That said: > A dying model of Governance could take things to a rather unprecedented level of nastiness and cruelty. You haven't paid much attention these last 250 years?

trotsky 13y ago
Doesn't that just sound like "we're" pro citizen?
- mseebach 13y ago
  Any half-competent political hack can spin anything so it's "pro citizen". A staggering proportion of citizens are in favour for the privacy/security trade off, it's just that We Know Better(tm). Of course Google and Apple should pay their fair share, I just can't get excited about it, I don't see how adding more money to the same semi-corrupt deeply immoral special interests buffet that brought you SOPA, and simultaneously distracting from the ongoing scandals of the political system, benefits anyone but the politicians.
  - trotsky 13y ago
    you don't think government spending benefits anyone but politicians? So for instance, medicare only benefits politicians?
    - mseebach 13y ago
      Well, Medicare is underfunded to the tune of $38T. If all of Google and Apple was liquified at current market cap and put towards funding that liability, it would be underfunded by at little more than $37T. Retroactively cancelling the Iraq and Afghanistan wars would give you cash to knock the number down to $36T. Of course people benefiting from Medicare benefits from Medicare, but "championing" Medicare benefits only politicians, because they know better than anyone else that it's going to go away, soon, but they'll happily lie about it in order to get reelected while they wait for it to happen.