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Hacker News is going through a predictable evolution. In the early days it's a wonderful community of supportive collaborators. These are the people who start

Hacker News is going through a predictable evolution. In the early days it's a wonderful community of supportive collaborators. These are the people who start unmoderated mail lists and discussion groups, at least the ones that grow to the next stage. It attracts people who want to be part of an unmoderated mail list or discussion group. It doesn't matter what the topic is, they always show up. They feel a sense of empowerment. They have arrived at the place where decisions are made, and they have an equal voice! They will express themselves. Then it becomes about governance. How will we make decisions (even though the decisions are about nothing). Then even those people leave, because the atmosphere is so poisoned by the negative people who say they hate everything and anything. The good folk who started the community are long-gone, probably dreaming about new communities where everyone gets along and is supportive and has good ideas and doesn't get in anyone's way! Only to do it again, and again...

corresation 13y ago
You've been saying this for literally years now. Back in 2011 you were declaring that "idiots" dominated Hacker News.
- general_failure 13y ago
  Some call it wisdom. Some call it broken record. You decide.
- davewiner 13y ago
  How would you know you've only been here 165 days! ;-)
demachina 13y ago
Yet when there was a thread on here about your product, Fargo, last week you seemed to be quite fond of Hacker News, asking people on your blog to vote it up so you could get more publicity. If you don't like Hacker News why don't you stop reading it, posting to it and pointing to it in your blog multiple times a week, glowingly when its in your favor and harshly when its not. You seem to being continuing your long running tendency to eviscerate anyone or anything which criticizes you and make out like its "their" fault and not yours. You are also reinforcing the perception among many that you want attention, even when it entails hacking people off to get it, like you are doing here.
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- davewiner 13y ago
  There are a lot of lurkers here, that's what I learned from that link to Fargo. It was good for business. The commenters are mostly bizarre aliases for people who are too cowardly to put their names on their rants. There are a few real people and many of them manage to say what they have to say without getting personal. Hope that helps. :-)
  - demachina 13y ago
    Dude… you get "personal" all the time. It takes a pretty serious double standard to be so sensitive about it when its aimed at you, versus when you are dishing it out being fine with it. Not sure I've actually seen much aimed at you on here that is "personal". Its mostly a lot of people frustrated with you for being the actual troll while accusing everyone else of being trolls. As for people using aliases, I think you should have actually learned the value of them considering how much time you spend on the internet trolling. Its a really, really bad idea to troll under your real identity. Its why so many people are permanently irritated with you. At this point I think I will stop trying to offer constructive criticism. Its becoming really obvious you are a pretty classic troll, and quite good at it too. You are mostly wasting everyone's time as only a good troll can.
    - davewiner 13y ago
      Funny how when you get trapped in your hypocrisy you get "tired" of offering what you call constructive criticism.
      - demachina 13y ago
        Not sure I'm seeing the hypocrisy there, please expand. I am mostly just getting tired of YOU trolling Hacker News, That is one hypocrisy I'm seeing, you complaining about trolls when you are the one doing it. This thread just isn't productive or interesting any more. It seems to be mostly designed to get attention. Based on the posts of others you seem to have been trolling here for a while. The other hypocrisy I'm seeing is you exploit Hacker News when it benefits you (i.e. to plug your product) and trash it when it doesn't gush praise of you, but that is normal for you. Telling you my real identity would be silly since you are, most of the time, not a nice person to anyone who criticizes you.
bowerbird 13y ago
some people, when you disagree with them (or even if they _perceive_ you disagree), will incorrectly attribute your disagreement as showing "you hate everything and anything". it doesn't matter how much evidence you submit in support of your arguments, the "fact" that "you hate everything and anything" is all-purpose. is dave one of those people? decide for yourself. but i can assure you that the dynamics of community are far more complicated than "wonderful supportive collaborators" who get sabotaged by "dark trolls"... -bowerbird
- davewiner 13y ago
  Very poetic, but what does it mean????????
  - bowerbird 13y ago
    dave said: > what does it mean???????? decide for yourself, dave. (by the way, one question-mark is quite enough to mark something as a question, i have found.) * also, "bowerbird" is my performance poetry name -- which i now use for all creative purposes -- so it's not some name that i am "hiding behind". i've signed all my posts on the web since 1995. and i'm still using the @aol address i had then. if george orwell was coming here, would you want him to use "george orwell", or his "real" name? how about mark twain? or beyonce's husband? indeed, you can call me any time at 310.980.9202, if you want to confirm that i am "a real person", or discuss the specifics of anything i've posted. -bowerbird p.s. i also appear regularly on poetry stages here in los angeles, if you happen to be in town.
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corresation 13y ago

You've been saying this for literally years now. Back in 2011 you were declaring that "idiots" dominated Hacker News.

general_failure 13y ago
Some call it wisdom. Some call it broken record. You decide.
davewiner 13y ago
How would you know you've only been here 165 days! ;-)

demachina 13y ago

Yet when there was a thread on here about your product, Fargo, last week you seemed to be quite fond of Hacker News, asking people on your blog to vote it up so you could get more publicity. If you don't like Hacker News why don't you stop reading it, posting to it and pointing to it in your blog multiple times a week, glowingly when its in your favor and harshly when its not. You seem to being continuing your long running tendency to eviscerate anyone or anything which criticizes you and make out like its "their" fault and not yours. You are also reinforcing the perception among many that you want attention, even when it entails hacking people off to get it, like you are doing here.

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davewiner 13y ago
There are a lot of lurkers here, that's what I learned from that link to Fargo. It was good for business. The commenters are mostly bizarre aliases for people who are too cowardly to put their names on their rants. There are a few real people and many of them manage to say what they have to say without getting personal. Hope that helps. :-)
- demachina 13y ago
  Dude… you get "personal" all the time. It takes a pretty serious double standard to be so sensitive about it when its aimed at you, versus when you are dishing it out being fine with it. Not sure I've actually seen much aimed at you on here that is "personal". Its mostly a lot of people frustrated with you for being the actual troll while accusing everyone else of being trolls. As for people using aliases, I think you should have actually learned the value of them considering how much time you spend on the internet trolling. Its a really, really bad idea to troll under your real identity. Its why so many people are permanently irritated with you. At this point I think I will stop trying to offer constructive criticism. Its becoming really obvious you are a pretty classic troll, and quite good at it too. You are mostly wasting everyone's time as only a good troll can.
  - davewiner 13y ago
    Funny how when you get trapped in your hypocrisy you get "tired" of offering what you call constructive criticism.
    - demachina 13y ago
      Not sure I'm seeing the hypocrisy there, please expand. I am mostly just getting tired of YOU trolling Hacker News, That is one hypocrisy I'm seeing, you complaining about trolls when you are the one doing it. This thread just isn't productive or interesting any more. It seems to be mostly designed to get attention. Based on the posts of others you seem to have been trolling here for a while. The other hypocrisy I'm seeing is you exploit Hacker News when it benefits you (i.e. to plug your product) and trash it when it doesn't gush praise of you, but that is normal for you. Telling you my real identity would be silly since you are, most of the time, not a nice person to anyone who criticizes you.

bowerbird 13y ago

some people, when you disagree with them (or even if they _perceive_ you disagree), will incorrectly attribute your disagreement as showing "you hate everything and anything". it doesn't matter how much evidence you submit in support of your arguments, the "fact" that "you hate everything and anything" is all-purpose. is dave one of those people? decide for yourself. but i can assure you that the dynamics of community are far more complicated than "wonderful supportive collaborators" who get sabotaged by "dark trolls"... -bowerbird

davewiner 13y ago
Very poetic, but what does it mean????????
- bowerbird 13y ago
  dave said: > what does it mean???????? decide for yourself, dave. (by the way, one question-mark is quite enough to mark something as a question, i have found.) * also, "bowerbird" is my performance poetry name -- which i now use for all creative purposes -- so it's not some name that i am "hiding behind". i've signed all my posts on the web since 1995. and i'm still using the @aol address i had then. if george orwell was coming here, would you want him to use "george orwell", or his "real" name? how about mark twain? or beyonce's husband? indeed, you can call me any time at 310.980.9202, if you want to confirm that i am "a real person", or discuss the specifics of anything i've posted. -bowerbird p.s. i also appear regularly on poetry stages here in los angeles, if you happen to be in town.
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