> I'm not really convinced that pay has anything to do with it. The general problem really seems to genuinely be finding engineers that are good enough, just in

> I'm not really convinced that pay has anything to do with it. The general problem really seems to genuinely be finding engineers that are good enough, just in the recruitment process period -- at least in many cases. It's neither the pay nor the talent. It's the combination of both. Companies in SV want to pay the highest talent the least amount of money. They do this while masking their actions as a shortage of STEM workers in the US. Programmers are the new labor force and just like the ones before it are being outsourced for cheaper work. Only this time the employees must come here.