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Could someone briefly explain how unschooling works for kids under ten? Do you just leave your five year old on her own, since her life is her own? I'm not tr

by bmj 18y ago

Could someone briefly explain how unschooling works for kids under ten? Do you just leave your five year old on her own, since her life is her own? I'm not trying to be snarky--we home school our kids (although in a more classical way) and I agree with the assessment that the school system in the U.S. has failed (and I've read Illich and agree with much of what he says).

tokenadult 18y ago
I'm homeschooling four children, and describe myself as an eclectic homeschooler with strong unschooling tendencies. My youngest is now six years old, and she spends a lot of each day drawing, building Lego constructions, doing kitchen chores with her mom, playing with her brothers, talking walks outdoors (with various members of the family keeping her company), or occasionally watching videos, some educational, and some not. She is close to being an independent reader. I give her a reading lesson each school weekday, and a math lesson. (My favored materials are Bloomfield and Barnhart's Let's Read: A Linguistic Approach http://www.amazon.com/Lets-Linguistic-Approach-Leonard-Bloomfield/dp/0814311156 http://www.amazon.com/Lets-Linguistic-Approach-Leonard-Bloom... and the Miquon Math http://www.keypress.com/x6252.xml http://www.keypress.com/x6252.xml series.) So I guide my children's activities, but they have a lot of free time and a lot of control over how they spend their time. I like promoting QUIET activities like drawing and reading, because much of my work is done at home.
- aeroevan 18y ago
  As someone who was homeschooled all the way through high school and am now working on my PhD in aerospace engineering, keep up the good work. My bit of advice would be to join an active homeschooling group (if you're not part of one already). Not only will your kids have a (relatively) healthy social life, but they'll meet some really interesting people. I had (and still have) friends whose interests ranged from writing operas to fellow hackers. Most of my public school friends seemed boring in comparison.
  - eru 18y ago
    Thanks for talking about homeschooling groups. I am from Germany, where homeschooling is more or less verboten. Homeschooling seems like a good idea. But I always wondered where children would get their social life from, when most of their peers are locked away for at least half of the day.
    - bmj 18y ago
      There is an assumption that all home schoolers keep their kids locked up all day away from other kids, or that home schooling requires this. Hardly. Many of the stereotypical home school kids (socially awkward) are that way because their parents purposefully shelter them. For them, home schooling is as much opting out of the culture as it is opting out of the school system. There's also an assumption that typical schooling is, in part, socialization, which seems odd since most of us don't spend our days exclusively around our own peer group. We've investigated several local home schooling groups, and we're also finding that many unofficial co-ops exists too, once you get plugged into the local learning web.
      - tokenadult 18y ago
        There is an assumption that all home schoolers keep their kids locked up all day away from other kids, or that home schooling requires this. Yes, that is the assumption, but that is not at all the reality. We have a very strong local group here specializing in homeschooling "gifted" children (standard term, not meant to be a brag) that is helpful for all the parents and for most of the children. I'm also part of several national online networks related to various aspects of homeschooling, and have been an officer of statewide homeschooling organizations.
        eru 18y ago
        I would not assume that home schoolers lock their kids up. Rather that the other kids are locked up in school. So homeschooled kids may have less opportunity to socializing with "school-aged" peers --- unless there are other homeschoolers around.
mattchew 18y ago
Do you just leave your five year old on her own, since her life is her own? Well, unschooling doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. Homeschoolers argue with each other over just these sort of questions. My opinion, unschooling does not mean "no teaching" and it certainly does not mean "no parental involvement". Most of the unschoolers we know have younger kids, and they have lots of parental involvement. Mom (usually it is Mom) does activities with the kids and comes up with fun ideas and projects to do. They help the kids pursue what they're interested in and introduce new topics the kids might get excited about. (We are not unschoolers, but we're fairly unschool-y. We have lessons, but we take a good deal of trouble to make lessons fun and interesting. Mostly we succeed.)
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adbachman 18y ago
We're "unschooling" our kids (4 and 2, right now). At their age, it means pretty much the same thing it means at any other age, as I understand it. To us, unschooling means we don't push an agenda. Neither I nor my wife are our childrens' teachers, in the classical sense. We know a hell of a lot more and have the experience to back it up, so when the occasion arises and the questions are asked, we're there with guidance. Which is pretty much what I'd expect any parent to do in similar situations. The biggest difference between us and more mainstream parents is that we're not anxious about our kids' pre-reading skills or whether we enrolled in the right preschool. > Do you just leave your five year old on her own, since her life is her own? Of course not! That's the reactionary response most folks give in the unschooling discussion, but it's nowhere near the truth. We don't push bare academics (information without context) or arbitrary schedules because we don't believe those have any value. We're involved with our kids all day, every day, as far as we're able. No preschool, no highly structured "educational opportunities". Live life, meet people, do stuff that matters, don't be anxious about how your kids compare.

by bmj 18y ago

tokenadult 18y ago

I'm homeschooling four children, and describe myself as an eclectic homeschooler with strong unschooling tendencies. My youngest is now six years old, and she spends a lot of each day drawing, building Lego constructions, doing kitchen chores with her mom, playing with her brothers, talking walks outdoors (with various members of the family keeping her company), or occasionally watching videos, some educational, and some not. She is close to being an independent reader. I give her a reading lesson each school weekday, and a math lesson. (My favored materials are Bloomfield and Barnhart's Let's Read: A Linguistic Approach http://www.amazon.com/Lets-Linguistic-Approach-Leonard-Bloomfield/dp/0814311156 http://www.amazon.com/Lets-Linguistic-Approach-Leonard-Bloom... and the Miquon Math http://www.keypress.com/x6252.xml http://www.keypress.com/x6252.xml series.) So I guide my children's activities, but they have a lot of free time and a lot of control over how they spend their time. I like promoting QUIET activities like drawing and reading, because much of my work is done at home.

aeroevan 18y ago
As someone who was homeschooled all the way through high school and am now working on my PhD in aerospace engineering, keep up the good work. My bit of advice would be to join an active homeschooling group (if you're not part of one already). Not only will your kids have a (relatively) healthy social life, but they'll meet some really interesting people. I had (and still have) friends whose interests ranged from writing operas to fellow hackers. Most of my public school friends seemed boring in comparison.
- eru 18y ago
  Thanks for talking about homeschooling groups. I am from Germany, where homeschooling is more or less verboten. Homeschooling seems like a good idea. But I always wondered where children would get their social life from, when most of their peers are locked away for at least half of the day.
  - bmj 18y ago
    There is an assumption that all home schoolers keep their kids locked up all day away from other kids, or that home schooling requires this. Hardly. Many of the stereotypical home school kids (socially awkward) are that way because their parents purposefully shelter them. For them, home schooling is as much opting out of the culture as it is opting out of the school system. There's also an assumption that typical schooling is, in part, socialization, which seems odd since most of us don't spend our days exclusively around our own peer group. We've investigated several local home schooling groups, and we're also finding that many unofficial co-ops exists too, once you get plugged into the local learning web.
    - tokenadult 18y ago
      There is an assumption that all home schoolers keep their kids locked up all day away from other kids, or that home schooling requires this. Yes, that is the assumption, but that is not at all the reality. We have a very strong local group here specializing in homeschooling "gifted" children (standard term, not meant to be a brag) that is helpful for all the parents and for most of the children. I'm also part of several national online networks related to various aspects of homeschooling, and have been an officer of statewide homeschooling organizations.
      - eru 18y ago
        I would not assume that home schoolers lock their kids up. Rather that the other kids are locked up in school. So homeschooled kids may have less opportunity to socializing with "school-aged" peers --- unless there are other homeschoolers around.

mattchew 18y ago

Do you just leave your five year old on her own, since her life is her own? Well, unschooling doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. Homeschoolers argue with each other over just these sort of questions. My opinion, unschooling does not mean "no teaching" and it certainly does not mean "no parental involvement". Most of the unschoolers we know have younger kids, and they have lots of parental involvement. Mom (usually it is Mom) does activities with the kids and comes up with fun ideas and projects to do. They help the kids pursue what they're interested in and introduce new topics the kids might get excited about. (We are not unschoolers, but we're fairly unschool-y. We have lessons, but we take a good deal of trouble to make lessons fun and interesting. Mostly we succeed.)

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adbachman 18y ago

We're "unschooling" our kids (4 and 2, right now). At their age, it means pretty much the same thing it means at any other age, as I understand it. To us, unschooling means we don't push an agenda. Neither I nor my wife are our childrens' teachers, in the classical sense. We know a hell of a lot more and have the experience to back it up, so when the occasion arises and the questions are asked, we're there with guidance. Which is pretty much what I'd expect any parent to do in similar situations. The biggest difference between us and more mainstream parents is that we're not anxious about our kids' pre-reading skills or whether we enrolled in the right preschool. > Do you just leave your five year old on her own, since her life is her own? Of course not! That's the reactionary response most folks give in the unschooling discussion, but it's nowhere near the truth. We don't push bare academics (information without context) or arbitrary schedules because we don't believe those have any value. We're involved with our kids all day, every day, as far as we're able. No preschool, no highly structured "educational opportunities". Live life, meet people, do stuff that matters, don't be anxious about how your kids compare.