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I see a lot of shock at the negative comments about RMS here. Those who are appalled at the lack of respect here need to understand that there are a lot of peop
by mwfunk 13y ago
I see a lot of shock at the negative comments about RMS here. Those who are appalled at the lack of respect here need to understand that there are a lot of people within the tech world that have developed very complicated feelings about RMS over the course of the past 20-30 years.
I mean, sure, a lot of people who don't know a whole lot about him or haven't had to deal with him over the course of decades might have shallow knee-jerk opinions on him: they hate him, they love him, or they barely know who he is. But I suspect a lot of the anti-RMS sentiment that you might see on someplace like HN comes from a much deeper place than that.
I don't hate the guy, personally, and I do think that the good he's done has outweighed the bad. I also agree with him on quite a few fronts, to a degree. However, he has alienated a LOT of people over the years for no good reason other than his own personality issues and a seeming complete lack of a reflective nature or an innate sense of perspective or empathy.
I feel sorry for him more than anything else, because I think he's a deeply troubled guy who unfortunately ended up in a life path that sort of rewarded him for staying in his deeply troubled state. He's always had lots of admirers and supporters, not to mention grants and speaking gigs. As a result, he never had any external forces that might compel him to grow up beyond a certain point, intellectually or emotionally.
I think a lot of the more nuanced, deep, and well-fermented RMS hate you might see stems not so much from total disagreement, but rather disappointment from wasted potential. He's somebody who's had a lot of great ideas from which so many great things have sprouted, but he's a terrible steward for those ideas. He ends up making it about him somehow, or takes so many things to such ridiculous extremes, or justifies his ideas for all the wrong reasons, or intentionally alienates the people that he should be trying to build bridges to, that he ends up discrediting the kernels of brilliant truth that are at the heart of much of his philosophy.
So, there are a ton of people who at one time or another were inspired by RMS in their larval stages to value freedom and sharing and openness, but grew to see him as an impediment to those very ideals. I'm one of those people and I so wish that it didn't have to be this way. I don't think you're seeing people criticizing his views on ties, so much as you're seeing disillusionment at a much deeper level with RMS' personal and intellectual failings, which are pretty broadly on display even when he's writing about trivial things like ties or hobbies or cell phones.
- foobarbazqux 13y agoI've had a similar experience, and I appreciate the compassion in your post.
- skore 13y ago> they hate him, they love him, or they barely know who he is I would suspect that for the majority of people, both the ones who hate and the ones who love him, barely know who he is. I don't know him at all, but I would guess that if I did get to know him, I would find that he's just another human being - and being a human is often hard and weird, so we all cope differently.
- dreamfactory 13y agoHe's just a guy with his own opinions; obviously we won't all agree. The main disapproval I see (sometimes dressed as disappointment) is that he isn't at all conventional (and that includes living up to some kind of societal expectation around leadership).
- hga 13y agoAn excellent summation. I'd add a few more things, at least from the 70s/80s (I left the relevant social circle in the 90s when I left the Boston area): A near complete lack of personal security and safety awareness and savvy, which wouldn't matter so much to others except: No respect for others' relationships with SOs; the ham-handed way he'd hit on your girlfriend was mostly a bit annoying, best avoided by having your girlfriend's other SO on the other side of her and you both going into "alpha male don't fsck with us" physical projection mode ^_^ ... BUT: it put him and some fellow diners in jeopardy when he hit on a gangster's moll in the late night Boston Chinatown restaurant the circle frequented (as related to me by a reliable 1st hand witness). It was said, albeit denied, that RMS took a technical disagreement with Dan Weinreb to the point of purging MIT-AI backup tapes, and this was why Dan left for LLL and the S-1 project. Now, as I note Dan denied this, but the very fact it was credible during the period Dan was absent tells you how abrasive he can be in technical matters. Somewhat troubled, yes (it doesn't make my deeply troubled threshold, at worst we're talking the personality disorder level of mental illness and to my knowledge and observation it didn't rise to that level though the '80s), and note most of these observations are from before he became really famous. (See my disclaimers here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5804156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5804156)