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compare to other anglo-centric melting-pot countries There are no comparable countries. The US is the absolute worst in the West. But just you watch. The UK

compare to other anglo-centric melting-pot countries There are no comparable countries. The US is the absolute worst in the West. But just you watch. The UK and Sweden and Norway are importing diversity at an alarming rate. Eventually, their prisons will turn hard, but not through policy. Policy follows reality. California's excessive solitary confinement policies strongly belie its left-leaning government. Get a steady dose of murder/rape/robbery and that's what happens. And prisons aren't punishment. Only victims want to punish criminals. Everyone else just wants kept far away from criminals, and if that means putting rotten people in cages, fine. You can see the effect here: http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/images/cjsc/recent-stat-cc.jpg http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/images/cjsc/recent-s... (That said, I think solitary confinement should be time-limited. No point in driving people crazy.)

AnthonyMouse 13y ago
Do you have any evidence that immigration or diversity is the cause of social strife? The U.S. prison population is hugely disproportionately African American. The U.S. has not had a large influx of immigrants from Africa in more than a century (for the obvious reason). Our prisoners are by and large not immigrants, or the children of immigrants, or the grandchildren of immigrants. They're the homegrown domestic American poor.
- mynameishere 13y ago
  Most immigration to the US consists of Hispanics who are relatively mild, only committing about 2x the crimes of the rest of population. I was referring to countries like Sweden which are hell-bent on importing Muslims and Somalians and the like. As to social strife, this is a standard book, even though written by a leftist, who tries to make the best of it. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.... The reality is more simple: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden Immigrants were five times more likely to commit sex crimes I absolutely do not believe that number. It is almost certainly more like 10 or 15 times. The Swedish government is a pure head-in-ass creature, and almost certainly bending the statistics.
- saraid216 13y ago
  I've actually been waiting for the Stockholm riots to settle down a little before I analyzed them, but the results I'm expecting is a disproportionate amount of immigrant participants.
  - AnthonyMouse 13y ago
    Do you expect that to still hold if you account for income level?
    - saraid216 13y ago
      I'm not entirely sure what you mean, since immigrants would tend to have a lower income level, But I think my answer is yes, if you factor out middle-to-high income rioters, you would still see a disproportionate representation of immigrants to natives. My theory is fairly simple: it's about incomplete integration. If natives fail to identify immigrants as accepted natives, there will be conflicts that regularly break out into anything from racial profiling to riots (such as the famous LA riots) to civil wars to secessions (such as South Sudan). I could also be completely crazy in seeing this pattern, though; I'm not an expert in this area by any means.
  - nion 13y ago
    You don't need to wait. As someone living in Stockholm I can tell you that there is not a shadow of a doubt that the riots have a majority of immigrant participants. The reason is that these riots are highly localized to poor areas where the population is almost exclusively immigrant, being clumped together by Swedish immigration policies. (Map: http://cdn.thinglink.me/api/image/394110718607097857/1024/10/scaletowidth http://cdn.thinglink.me/api/image/394110718607097857/1024/10...) While international media might have given you an image of a Stockholm of fire, most Stockholmers have not seen a trace of the riots. With large amounts of youth failing basic school, being unemployed, and lacking parents and role models who have jobs and have integrated into the Swedish society. Riots are almost bound to happen.
Apocryphon 13y ago
How are Canada, the U.K., Australia, or New Zealand not comparable? Have you never heard of the Anglosphere?

AnthonyMouse 13y ago

Do you have any evidence that immigration or diversity is the cause of social strife? The U.S. prison population is hugely disproportionately African American. The U.S. has not had a large influx of immigrants from Africa in more than a century (for the obvious reason). Our prisoners are by and large not immigrants, or the children of immigrants, or the grandchildren of immigrants. They're the homegrown domestic American poor.

mynameishere 13y ago
Most immigration to the US consists of Hispanics who are relatively mild, only committing about 2x the crimes of the rest of population. I was referring to countries like Sweden which are hell-bent on importing Muslims and Somalians and the like. As to social strife, this is a standard book, even though written by a leftist, who tries to make the best of it. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.... The reality is more simple: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden Immigrants were five times more likely to commit sex crimes I absolutely do not believe that number. It is almost certainly more like 10 or 15 times. The Swedish government is a pure head-in-ass creature, and almost certainly bending the statistics.
saraid216 13y ago
I've actually been waiting for the Stockholm riots to settle down a little before I analyzed them, but the results I'm expecting is a disproportionate amount of immigrant participants.
- AnthonyMouse 13y ago
  Do you expect that to still hold if you account for income level?
  - saraid216 13y ago
    I'm not entirely sure what you mean, since immigrants would tend to have a lower income level, But I think my answer is yes, if you factor out middle-to-high income rioters, you would still see a disproportionate representation of immigrants to natives. My theory is fairly simple: it's about incomplete integration. If natives fail to identify immigrants as accepted natives, there will be conflicts that regularly break out into anything from racial profiling to riots (such as the famous LA riots) to civil wars to secessions (such as South Sudan). I could also be completely crazy in seeing this pattern, though; I'm not an expert in this area by any means.
- nion 13y ago
  You don't need to wait. As someone living in Stockholm I can tell you that there is not a shadow of a doubt that the riots have a majority of immigrant participants. The reason is that these riots are highly localized to poor areas where the population is almost exclusively immigrant, being clumped together by Swedish immigration policies. (Map: http://cdn.thinglink.me/api/image/394110718607097857/1024/10/scaletowidth http://cdn.thinglink.me/api/image/394110718607097857/1024/10...) While international media might have given you an image of a Stockholm of fire, most Stockholmers have not seen a trace of the riots. With large amounts of youth failing basic school, being unemployed, and lacking parents and role models who have jobs and have integrated into the Swedish society. Riots are almost bound to happen.

Apocryphon 13y ago

How are Canada, the U.K., Australia, or New Zealand not comparable? Have you never heard of the Anglosphere?