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Of course there is upside to risk, but that doesn't really help me plan for the future. The upside is nice holidays; the downside is penury and food banks. It
by Ntrails 13y ago
Of course there is upside to risk, but that doesn't really help me plan for the future. The upside is nice holidays; the downside is penury and food banks. It really is that bad. I would never talk to someone about their 99th percentile asset value, but I might well show them their 1st percentile and ask them a simple "what if"
At it's most basic savings for retirement should be considering things like
"what does a 40% drop in the market mean for me?"
"What does uncontrolled inflation mean for me?"
"what happens if I live to over 100?"
In general, I obviously believe that knowingly flawed models are better than nothing. If you want to demonstrate some of what's at risk, do a single "1 in 200" scenario. So all of the above in one example. Half way into the projection period the portfolio drops by 40%, inflation doubles and you increase the projection period by 20% (pulling a deterministic scenario firmly from thin air). You can fudge the maths a little and simply output 2 sets of figures:
Expected present value || Risky Scenario present value
The risky scenario parameters can be hidden away with the other more advanced things, and you've got yourself a nice output demonstrating what could conceivably happen. There are other ways, but it depends what and how much you want to show.
More than anything though, I just want to see these calculations properly phrased as estimates. Returns defined clearly as real (or nominal, and model inflation). And a mention given to the cost of living longer. For a cup of coffee, no one cares - not even I. We are talking about 80 year olds having to find work to help account for a depleted nest egg. It's really serious stuff.
RE: Edit
Annualised return is simply (1.021.021.06*1.04)^(1/4). You are calculating these things based on an expected return on assets, it is important to be clear that it is not an arithmetic average that you are using but a geometric one. I don’t know if you are modelling the withdrawal cashflows (there is no need with a constant rate of interest) which is really where this stuff starts to hit home.
- kablamo 13y agoI'd love to chat with you about this stuff on email if you are interested. My email address is in my HN profile. Thanks for the comments!