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> What I worry about is a few years down the road when all of this security state nonsense is used for political reasons. Why do you think this isn't happening

> What I worry about is a few years down the road when all of this security state nonsense is used for political reasons. Why do you think this isn't happening presently? Are you aware of the IRS's targeted scrutiny of certain groups applying for 501c3 status? This does not directly relate to the NSLs being discussed here, but it is an indication of how politics enters government agencies. Frankly, I would be surprised if these NSLs aren't currently being used for political ends, by whomever has access to their use.

sinnerswing 13y ago
Nothing new here. Anyone remember this? This was 3 years ago. "A US government-mandated backdoor allowed China to hack into Gmail" "In order to comply with government search warrants on user data, Google created a backdoor access system into Gmail accounts. This feature is what the Chinese hackers exploited to gain access." http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hackin...
DannoHung 13y ago
Yeah, but those were groups who have as one of their political purposes tax avoidance... I mean... it's like sending a police officer to a store where someone has threatened to rob it beforehand. If the FBI wants to investigate someone who has said they're determined to kill people with a bomb, I don't have a problem with them surveiling that person.
- AutoCorrect 13y ago
  and you want to give up as much of your income as possible for taxes? Ludicrous argument.
  - zero_intp 13y ago
    I think yours might be more short sighted. I, quite explicitly, feel compelled to pay taxes. To say that you will always minimize your taxes explicitly denotes your misanthropy and failure to value civilization.
SolarUpNote 13y ago
This is what I'd worry about: If I attended a protest like Occupy Wall Street or something, and gmailed my friends about it. Then, a year later, was told that I can't board an airplane because I'm on a no-fly list.
- redblacktree 13y ago
  That's what we call a Chilling Effect.

sinnerswing 13y ago

Nothing new here. Anyone remember this? This was 3 years ago. "A US government-mandated backdoor allowed China to hack into Gmail" "In order to comply with government search warrants on user data, Google created a backdoor access system into Gmail accounts. This feature is what the Chinese hackers exploited to gain access." http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hackin...

DannoHung 13y ago

Yeah, but those were groups who have as one of their political purposes tax avoidance... I mean... it's like sending a police officer to a store where someone has threatened to rob it beforehand. If the FBI wants to investigate someone who has said they're determined to kill people with a bomb, I don't have a problem with them surveiling that person.

AutoCorrect 13y ago
and you want to give up as much of your income as possible for taxes? Ludicrous argument.
- zero_intp 13y ago
  I think yours might be more short sighted. I, quite explicitly, feel compelled to pay taxes. To say that you will always minimize your taxes explicitly denotes your misanthropy and failure to value civilization.

SolarUpNote 13y ago

This is what I'd worry about: If I attended a protest like Occupy Wall Street or something, and gmailed my friends about it. Then, a year later, was told that I can't board an airplane because I'm on a no-fly list.

redblacktree 13y ago
That's what we call a Chilling Effect.