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I don't know where you get your information from, but the source is unreliable and you're now spreading disinformation.

by Confusion 13y ago

kybernetyk 13y ago
Please explain. My source is someone I know who was imprisoned in Aachen, NRW.
- Confusion 13y ago
  Reading up a bit, I note that it does happen, but under specific circumstances. It certainly isn't common practice. In Germany people in prison are usually encouraged to have a job and most work fairly regular work weeks, when not following courses. Rehabilitation and reintegration into society is taken seriously there. See e.g. http://www.internationalpenalandpenitentiaryfoundation.org/Site/documents/Stavern/19_Stavern_Report http://www.internationalpenalandpenitentiaryfoundation.org/S... Germany.pdf. An excerpt from the section on Prison regime(s): The common core of regime activities is a Monday to Friday work week. Work hours follow those of the civil service. In addition there is the one hour of daily exercise in the open air. Prisoners are walked to their work places af‐ ter breakfast, they are returned to their cells for lunch and at the end of their work hours. Here the uniformity ends. Regulations with respect to night‐ time lockup differ widely. In pretrial prisons, where most prisoners do not work, prisoners may be locked up for 23 hours a day. Many prisons have adopted a policy of open cell doors between the end of work and lockup time. After lockup, leisure‐time activities outside the cell rooms may still be possible. But this depends on the prisoner’s enrolment in one of the organ‐ ized activities offered by prison staff or (more likely) by some external group (from Alcoholics Anonymus to political parties, religious groups et cetera). But all of this may not apply to all prisoners and it definitely does not apply to all prisons.
  - kybernetyk 13y ago
    The PDF you quote describes the intended ideal conditions. In Germany also every prisoner is entitled to have his own cell and each cell has to have a separated toilet area. But in practice prisons are full, cells are occupied with 2 or 3 prisoners and toilets are only separated by a plank. Finding work in most prisons can also be pretty hard. There are certain jobs that are always in demand (welder, carpenter, etc.) but if you're a simple academic and not a craftsman you can only hope to get one of the lower level jobs like librarian, kitchen help, etc. That paired with prison overpopulation can make getting a job pretty hard. The problem is that the prison system in Germany is heavily underfunded and that a good portion of the prison buildings are very old (a few date even back to the late 19th century). Germany would need many new prison buildings with humane sanitary standards but you don't get points in the election for spending tax money on the well being of prisoners.

I don't know where you get your information from, but the source is unreliable and you're now spreading disinformation.

kybernetyk 13y ago

Please explain. My source is someone I know who was imprisoned in Aachen, NRW.

Confusion 13y ago
Reading up a bit, I note that it does happen, but under specific circumstances. It certainly isn't common practice. In Germany people in prison are usually encouraged to have a job and most work fairly regular work weeks, when not following courses. Rehabilitation and reintegration into society is taken seriously there. See e.g. http://www.internationalpenalandpenitentiaryfoundation.org/Site/documents/Stavern/19_Stavern_Report http://www.internationalpenalandpenitentiaryfoundation.org/S... Germany.pdf. An excerpt from the section on Prison regime(s): The common core of regime activities is a Monday to Friday work week. Work hours follow those of the civil service. In addition there is the one hour of daily exercise in the open air. Prisoners are walked to their work places af‐ ter breakfast, they are returned to their cells for lunch and at the end of their work hours. Here the uniformity ends. Regulations with respect to night‐ time lockup differ widely. In pretrial prisons, where most prisoners do not work, prisoners may be locked up for 23 hours a day. Many prisons have adopted a policy of open cell doors between the end of work and lockup time. After lockup, leisure‐time activities outside the cell rooms may still be possible. But this depends on the prisoner’s enrolment in one of the organ‐ ized activities offered by prison staff or (more likely) by some external group (from Alcoholics Anonymus to political parties, religious groups et cetera). But all of this may not apply to all prisoners and it definitely does not apply to all prisons.
- kybernetyk 13y ago
  The PDF you quote describes the intended ideal conditions. In Germany also every prisoner is entitled to have his own cell and each cell has to have a separated toilet area. But in practice prisons are full, cells are occupied with 2 or 3 prisoners and toilets are only separated by a plank. Finding work in most prisons can also be pretty hard. There are certain jobs that are always in demand (welder, carpenter, etc.) but if you're a simple academic and not a craftsman you can only hope to get one of the lower level jobs like librarian, kitchen help, etc. That paired with prison overpopulation can make getting a job pretty hard. The problem is that the prison system in Germany is heavily underfunded and that a good portion of the prison buildings are very old (a few date even back to the late 19th century). Germany would need many new prison buildings with humane sanitary standards but you don't get points in the election for spending tax money on the well being of prisoners.