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Is it just me, or do caffeine addicts sound like heroin addicts when they try to rationalize their addiction?

by _ak 13y ago

dylangs1030 13y ago
Having known a heroin addict, I think it's just you. On a less serious note, people defend coffee for several reasons, not just because it's addictive. It's been shown to be healthy and sustainable in moderation when it's consumed black. It's associated with productivity which is a mental booster, as well as all the other trendy, bohemian associations it has. And, of course, it has an immediately verifiable wake-up "kick" to it. I don't drink coffee, but I get why people drink it. What I don't get is why people drink Starbucks coffee.
- Cthulhu_ 13y ago
  > What I don't get is why people drink Starbucks coffee. * Trusted brand (like McD's) * Atmosphere * Free wifi * Status * Crack or some other addictive substance added to the beverages
- _ak 13y ago
  > It's associated with productivity which is a mental booster, as well as all the other trendy, bohemian associations it has. Is it really a mental booster, or is it just that people who have morning coffee to "wake up and get productive" get their first "hit" of caffeine for the day and so fight the caffeine withdrawal symptoms? IMHO, the inclusion of caffeine in DSM-5 suggests the latter.
- mnicole 13y ago
  When I first moved to Portland, I lived on the same block as a wonderful little local coffee shop that served Stumptown. Man I love Stumptown. I would go there all the time, sometimes twice a day. The coffee and the food were great, but only right before I moved did they employ someone with a personality that would remember the only order I would ever get there. When I started going to the Starbucks near my old office instead, within a week they knew my name, they know my [custom] drink, they know what I do and what my plans are for the weekend without sounding fake or pretentious and despite being one of the busier locations in the city. For me, it's customer experience, and Starbucks really emphasizes that in their training process. My taste buds preferred the local shop, but my money went to the company where the employees actually looked up at me and smiled and engaged me. I also know they have really great benefits for their employees and with sites like mystarbucksidea.com, they at least pretend to give credence to the ideas of their customers (although they've implemented quite a few of them, they've been incredibly stingy about buying hemp milk).
dasil003 13y ago
From personal experience, heroin addicts will joke about breaking into their parents house to steal something and sell it for a fix, and they are totally serious, and yet it is still a legitimately funny topic to them. That should tell you something about the psychology and why they're nothing like coffee addicts.

Is it just me, or do caffeine addicts sound like heroin addicts when they try to rationalize their addiction?

by _ak 13y ago

Is it just me, or do caffeine addicts sound like heroin addicts when they try to rationalize their addiction?

Having known a heroin addict, I think it's just you. On a less serious note, people defend coffee for several reasons, not just because it's addictive. It's been shown to be healthy and sustainable in moderation when it's consumed black. It's associated with productivity which is a mental booster, as well as all the other trendy, bohemian associations it has. And, of course, it has an immediately verifiable wake-up "kick" to it. I don't drink coffee, but I get why people drink it. What I don't get is why people drink Starbucks coffee.

Cthulhu_ 13y ago
> What I don't get is why people drink Starbucks coffee. * Trusted brand (like McD's) * Atmosphere * Free wifi * Status * Crack or some other addictive substance added to the beverages
_ak 13y ago
> It's associated with productivity which is a mental booster, as well as all the other trendy, bohemian associations it has. Is it really a mental booster, or is it just that people who have morning coffee to "wake up and get productive" get their first "hit" of caffeine for the day and so fight the caffeine withdrawal symptoms? IMHO, the inclusion of caffeine in DSM-5 suggests the latter.
mnicole 13y ago
When I first moved to Portland, I lived on the same block as a wonderful little local coffee shop that served Stumptown. Man I love Stumptown. I would go there all the time, sometimes twice a day. The coffee and the food were great, but only right before I moved did they employ someone with a personality that would remember the only order I would ever get there. When I started going to the Starbucks near my old office instead, within a week they knew my name, they know my [custom] drink, they know what I do and what my plans are for the weekend without sounding fake or pretentious and despite being one of the busier locations in the city. For me, it's customer experience, and Starbucks really emphasizes that in their training process. My taste buds preferred the local shop, but my money went to the company where the employees actually looked up at me and smiled and engaged me. I also know they have really great benefits for their employees and with sites like mystarbucksidea.com, they at least pretend to give credence to the ideas of their customers (although they've implemented quite a few of them, they've been incredibly stingy about buying hemp milk).

dasil003 13y ago

From personal experience, heroin addicts will joke about breaking into their parents house to steal something and sell it for a fix, and they are totally serious, and yet it is still a legitimately funny topic to them. That should tell you something about the psychology and why they're nothing like coffee addicts.