4 ms·

James: seriously, listen to yourself. Maybe nobody explicitly says, "Tits or GTFO" but that presentation said the exact same thing in visual form. As did the

by earl 18y ago

James: seriously, listen to yourself. Maybe nobody explicitly says, "Tits or GTFO" but that presentation said the exact same thing in visual form. As did the conference organizers and audience that apparently had no problem with it.

knowtheory 18y ago
Earl, go read through the comments on the ultrasaurus thread, two of the conference organizers posted there. Their comments are worth reading.
jamesbritt 18y ago
That's one presentation. It's is far from being representative of what is seen or said at Ruby conferences generally. It's bullshit to point at this one occurrence, ignore 99% of what else goes on, and suggest there's a culture of deliberate exclusion in Rubyland. 8 years of active Ruby involvement tells me otherwise. Maybe it's true for the NYC crowd, I don't know. They'll be the ones to explain (or not) how this talk came about. But to me it's an aberration. Also, the discussion that's going tells me there are many Rubyists who have a problem with this sort of presentation (though exactly what that problem is seems to vary). It seems more to be part of a virulent strain of annoying juvenility that pops up in numerous tech corners.
- knowtheory 18y ago
  GoGaRuCo is the Golden Gate Ruby Conference, not GoRuCo, which is the Gotham Ruby Conference. People are not claiming that this presentation is representative of all presentations in the Ruby community. This presentation and the reaction afterward is being taken as INDICATIVE of a problem that is neither recognized nor addressed.
  - jamesbritt 18y ago
    Can't imagine how I could confuse those names. :) More to the point: "This presentation and the reaction afterward is being taken as INDICATIVE of a problem that is neither recognized nor addressed." I don't see a single presentation out of whatever total number of Ruby talks as coming even close to being indicative of a problem. Nine years of Ruby conferences. One comes along that demonstrates notable poor taste. That's a good record.

by earl 18y ago

knowtheory 18y ago

Earl, go read through the comments on the ultrasaurus thread, two of the conference organizers posted there. Their comments are worth reading.

jamesbritt 18y ago

That's one presentation. It's is far from being representative of what is seen or said at Ruby conferences generally. It's bullshit to point at this one occurrence, ignore 99% of what else goes on, and suggest there's a culture of deliberate exclusion in Rubyland. 8 years of active Ruby involvement tells me otherwise. Maybe it's true for the NYC crowd, I don't know. They'll be the ones to explain (or not) how this talk came about. But to me it's an aberration. Also, the discussion that's going tells me there are many Rubyists who have a problem with this sort of presentation (though exactly what that problem is seems to vary). It seems more to be part of a virulent strain of annoying juvenility that pops up in numerous tech corners.

knowtheory 18y ago
GoGaRuCo is the Golden Gate Ruby Conference, not GoRuCo, which is the Gotham Ruby Conference. People are not claiming that this presentation is representative of all presentations in the Ruby community. This presentation and the reaction afterward is being taken as INDICATIVE of a problem that is neither recognized nor addressed.
- jamesbritt 18y ago
  Can't imagine how I could confuse those names. :) More to the point: "This presentation and the reaction afterward is being taken as INDICATIVE of a problem that is neither recognized nor addressed." I don't see a single presentation out of whatever total number of Ruby talks as coming even close to being indicative of a problem. Nine years of Ruby conferences. One comes along that demonstrates notable poor taste. That's a good record.