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After a Pause, Wall Street Pay Bounces Back

12 points by peter123 18y ago

barry-cotter 18y ago
Summary: Pay for those who haven't been fired roughly in line with trends of last 5-10 years. However many have been fired, ~3/4 at Citigroup for example. Some investors say that given the losses they have taken the banks should pay less than the historical norm of ~50% of profits. The executives say if they don't like it they can sell the stock.
christofd 18y ago
The lords of the hype are back at dooming our future (80s corporate raiding, golden parachutes, dot-com crash, Enron, real estate). Paul Krugman's article - "Making Banking Boring" http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/opinion/10krugman.html?em http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/opinion/10krugman.html?em - relates to a paper by economists Thomas Philippon and Ariell Reshef, “Wages and Human Capital in the U.S. Financial Industry, 1909-2006”), that shows a high correlation between a tightly regulated banking sector and economic progress.
lsemel 18y ago
Do these bankers create so much more value than, say, entrepreneurs, that merits paying them so much? Or is there some other reason banks need to pay such high amounts compared to other types of businesses?
- jacoblyles 18y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
  - christofd 18y ago
    No, it's NOT the usual supply and demand that's at work here. Government has deregulated finance to a point where financial leverage went haywire. Further, you have information asymmetry going on here, where the guys causing all the ruckus leave the boat before it sinks. And further, being so close to large amounts of capital wealth brings with it great problems of moral hazard (we lack tools to deal with this). Those should be enough reasons to point out, that all is normal and supply an demand on the market is working is NOT the reason for these income spikes: the more fundamental (systemic) reasons win out here.
  - lsemel 18y ago
    If it's supply and demand then people should be rushing into banking and leaving other fields to take advantage of the high pay, which would bring it into equilibrium with other fields as the supply of workers increases. That apparently is not happening, because the pay is still vastly higher.

12 points by peter123 18y ago

Summary: Pay for those who haven't been fired roughly in line with trends of last 5-10 years. However many have been fired, ~3/4 at Citigroup for example. Some investors say that given the losses they have taken the banks should pay less than the historical norm of ~50% of profits. The executives say if they don't like it they can sell the stock.

christofd 18y ago

The lords of the hype are back at dooming our future (80s corporate raiding, golden parachutes, dot-com crash, Enron, real estate). Paul Krugman's article - "Making Banking Boring" http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/opinion/10krugman.html?em http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/10/opinion/10krugman.html?em - relates to a paper by economists Thomas Philippon and Ariell Reshef, “Wages and Human Capital in the U.S. Financial Industry, 1909-2006”), that shows a high correlation between a tightly regulated banking sector and economic progress.

lsemel 18y ago

Do these bankers create so much more value than, say, entrepreneurs, that merits paying them so much? Or is there some other reason banks need to pay such high amounts compared to other types of businesses?

jacoblyles 18y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand
- christofd 18y ago
  No, it's NOT the usual supply and demand that's at work here. Government has deregulated finance to a point where financial leverage went haywire. Further, you have information asymmetry going on here, where the guys causing all the ruckus leave the boat before it sinks. And further, being so close to large amounts of capital wealth brings with it great problems of moral hazard (we lack tools to deal with this). Those should be enough reasons to point out, that all is normal and supply an demand on the market is working is NOT the reason for these income spikes: the more fundamental (systemic) reasons win out here.
- lsemel 18y ago
  If it's supply and demand then people should be rushing into banking and leaving other fields to take advantage of the high pay, which would bring it into equilibrium with other fields as the supply of workers increases. That apparently is not happening, because the pay is still vastly higher.