Yeah fair point, and I wonder how much influence I might have had too. On the me front, I have never discussed or commented on it to or with him. Frankly, such

Yeah fair point, and I wonder how much influence I might have had too. On the me front, I have never discussed or commented on it to or with him. Frankly, such discussion would bore him senseless. The discussion about the PC spec, which was me trying to match budget with expectation, was hard work!!! But, the one thing he jumped on was not AMD v Intel, not RAM or disk size, not graphics card chip set, its was no Windows 8. As for usage v PR, all I can say is that, as I tried to point out with my not geek comment, he is not in circles where things like OS's and PC specs are important. He not a computer person. As I said, he is a consumer, not a creator or hacker. The tech details are as important to him as the tech details of a TV or stereo. Basically, does it do what I want? See what I mean? Also, he has used Windows 8 for months on his laptop. Plenty of time to get over initial shock and simply get used to it. Well, clearly, he hasn't. So, in his case, I would say his rejection of Win8 is experienced based and genuinely his own.