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A lot of men (and sometimes women) ... [say] “So you’re saying that in order for women to get ahead, they have to pull men down?! That’s not fair!” I have neve
by dbecker 13y ago
A lot of men (and sometimes women) ... [say] “So you’re saying that in order for women to get ahead, they have to pull men down?! That’s not fair!”
I have never heard anyone say anything like this quote. Maybe I'm in an unusual workplaces, or I haven't been listening closely enough. Does this resemble a real statement in the gender inequality dialog?
- eridius 13y agoIt seems to me to be a paraphrasing of all the complaints against affirmative action.
- king_jester 13y agoThis is indeed a thing people say. Most of the time I hear this in someone saying outright that feminists are man haters or wish to see men suffer. More subtly, someone will usually complain that we have to treat men and woman equally while completely ignoring any kind of ongoing injustice that women may be dealing with (this goes for a wide variety of discussions).
- dbecker 13y agoI'd agree that the claim "feminists wish to see men suffer" is equivalent to the above quote. I'm surprised to hear that this is a common sentiment in serious conversation. The claim "women and men should be treated equally", even with an ignorance of any ongoing injustices towards women, does not seem equivalent to the above quote. For example, the quote in question implies a zero-sum game, whereby advancing capable women inherently hurts men. This assumption is absent from "men and women should be treated equally."
- wpietri 13y agoI have definitely heard this. The loss of privilege feels like a loss. And having to do the work to make things more fair can feel like a burden.