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At least you invoked the name of the logical fallacy. And it's more than just offense in this case. Sexual assault is a very serious and terrible thing to have

by lowboy 13y ago

At least you invoked the name of the logical fallacy. And it's more than just offense in this case. Sexual assault is a very serious and terrible thing to have happen. Joking about it legitimizes and normalizes it, contributing to incidents. I imagine it's the same thing as with hate speech: it could prompt acts of violence toward people of the targeted group.

spindritf 13y ago
> Sexual assault is a very serious Are videos where people actually get hurt[1], not just their feelings, also banned from Facebook? Or are those less serious? I heave heard this claim that rape jokes somehow contribute to the prevalence of the problem. Is there any empirical proof for that? [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNuaaPoLu1Q&t=44s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNuaaPoLu1Q&t=44s (unpleasant to watch)
- adamors 13y ago
  >I heave heard this claim that rape jokes somehow contribute to the prevalence of the problem. Is there any empirical proof for that? Are you seriours, how would you even attempt to prove something like that? Funny that everyone agrees that overtly racist/anti-semitic (and recently) homophobic images on social sites are wrong, but banning rape jokes is somehow taking things too far.
  - jiggy2011 13y ago
    You can think something is wrong without necessarily seeking to ban it.
  - spindritf 13y ago
    > how would you even attempt to prove something like that? How do we measure whether access to pornography increases the number of sexual assaults? We rely on the natural experiments: measure the consumption of pornography in the area and correlate it with crime rates. For more reliable results, we look at changes in time, or control for other factors. > images on social sites are wrong I don't use Facebook and they can ban whatever they want. The more stuff they ban, the quicker will their grip on the web fade. What I find weird is the disconnect from physical reality. Speech that makes people uncomfortable is banned but videos showing people being assaulted, hit with a plank are not? Or are they?
smegel 13y ago
And sincere discussions of alternative political systems could lead to another Stalin/Mao/Hitler. Criticizing Islam might lead to another holocaust. At what point do you let people share ideas freely without holding them responsible for what "might happen"? When can a joke "just be a joke"?
- lowboy 13y ago
  A joke with "tape her and rape her" is not a sincere discussion. People posting on Facebook is a privilege granted at the sole discretion of Facebook, it's not a right. While I support free speech, it's completely at FB's discretion as to whether or not content is acceptable. Also, this could help you: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

by lowboy 13y ago

spindritf 13y ago

> Sexual assault is a very serious Are videos where people actually get hurt[1], not just their feelings, also banned from Facebook? Or are those less serious? I heave heard this claim that rape jokes somehow contribute to the prevalence of the problem. Is there any empirical proof for that? [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNuaaPoLu1Q&t=44s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNuaaPoLu1Q&t=44s (unpleasant to watch)

adamors 13y ago
>I heave heard this claim that rape jokes somehow contribute to the prevalence of the problem. Is there any empirical proof for that? Are you seriours, how would you even attempt to prove something like that? Funny that everyone agrees that overtly racist/anti-semitic (and recently) homophobic images on social sites are wrong, but banning rape jokes is somehow taking things too far.
- jiggy2011 13y ago
  You can think something is wrong without necessarily seeking to ban it.
- spindritf 13y ago
  > how would you even attempt to prove something like that? How do we measure whether access to pornography increases the number of sexual assaults? We rely on the natural experiments: measure the consumption of pornography in the area and correlate it with crime rates. For more reliable results, we look at changes in time, or control for other factors. > images on social sites are wrong I don't use Facebook and they can ban whatever they want. The more stuff they ban, the quicker will their grip on the web fade. What I find weird is the disconnect from physical reality. Speech that makes people uncomfortable is banned but videos showing people being assaulted, hit with a plank are not? Or are they?

smegel 13y ago

And sincere discussions of alternative political systems could lead to another Stalin/Mao/Hitler. Criticizing Islam might lead to another holocaust. At what point do you let people share ideas freely without holding them responsible for what "might happen"? When can a joke "just be a joke"?

lowboy 13y ago
A joke with "tape her and rape her" is not a sincere discussion. People posting on Facebook is a privilege granted at the sole discretion of Facebook, it's not a right. While I support free speech, it's completely at FB's discretion as to whether or not content is acceptable. Also, this could help you: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope