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There is evidence that the legalization and accessibility of pornography can lead to a marked decrease in sex crimes (1). Of course its doubtful if we can trans

There is evidence that the legalization and accessibility of pornography can lead to a marked decrease in sex crimes (1). Of course its doubtful if we can transfer these findings to the situation with child porn, but at the same it's probably nigh impossible to do research on the topic. 1: https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=179581 https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=1795...

rmc 13y ago
But is that looking at "sex that would legal if it were consentual" (e.g. an adult man having sex with an adult woman). We don't want any form of sex with children to be legal (and I hope no-one's really suggesting this), so would making porn of adult/children sex legal increase the amount of adult/children sex or decrease it? Looking at adult/adult porn vs adult/adult non-consentual sex is comparing apples to oranges.
- anonymoushn 13y ago
  Do you want to begin locking up high schoolers who have sex with their high schooler significant others?
  - lotharbot 13y ago
    Most states (30 as of 2010) have "age gap" or "Romeo and Juliet" provisions in their statutory rape laws specifically to deal with such circumstances. Generally speaking, teens who are within a few years of age of each other are not committing a crime. See http://www.crimevictimsinstitute.org/documents/Adolescent_Behavior_3.1.11.pdf http://www.crimevictimsinstitute.org/documents/Adolescent_Be... , which has an extensive list of state-by-state laws.
    - anonymoushn 13y ago
      I am aware. rmc said "We don't want any form of sex with children to be legal (and I hope no-one's really suggesting this)." He is apparently not aware that it is legal for some children to have sex with some other children, and for some children to have sex with some adults, and really hopes that I don't suggest legalizing these things. The natural question when someone says "I hope no one's really suggesting <the status quo>" is to ask if they really mean that we should change our policy in that area, I think.
      - lotharbot 13y ago
        > "He is apparently not aware" More likely, he's aware but chose not to address it (he confirms this in a sibling comment.) His point was about the effect of legalizing CP on "adult/children sex"; including disclaimers about age gaps involving borderline-adults and borderline-children would have made his comment less readable for little benefit. The natural response to someone missing a disclaimer is to either let it slide or to note it in a non-adversarial way ("it is legal for those close enough in age" or something like that.)
  - rmc 13y ago
    Nope. I'm fully in support of it being legal based on age gap, and neither having position of power etc. But there is an large age range where it almost certainly should be illegal. Is there any situtation where a 40 year old can have sex with a 10 year old? I think not. This is and should be illegal. We should stamp that out.
- drcube 13y ago
  > We don't want any form of sex with children to be legal (and I hope no-one's really suggesting this) Children should be able to have sex with other children legally. Though I don't know how you could transfer that legality to porn. Look at sexting. Kids can be charged with child pornography simply for having naked pictures of themselves, or their girlfriend/boyfriend, on their phone. I figure if I'm underage, I should still be able to take pictures and possess pornography featuring myself. And if I so desire, why shouldn't I be able to sell that picture and make money? I'm not necessarily advocating all this, it's just food for thought.

rmc 13y ago

But is that looking at "sex that would legal if it were consentual" (e.g. an adult man having sex with an adult woman). We don't want any form of sex with children to be legal (and I hope no-one's really suggesting this), so would making porn of adult/children sex legal increase the amount of adult/children sex or decrease it? Looking at adult/adult porn vs adult/adult non-consentual sex is comparing apples to oranges.

anonymoushn 13y ago
Do you want to begin locking up high schoolers who have sex with their high schooler significant others?
- lotharbot 13y ago
  Most states (30 as of 2010) have "age gap" or "Romeo and Juliet" provisions in their statutory rape laws specifically to deal with such circumstances. Generally speaking, teens who are within a few years of age of each other are not committing a crime. See http://www.crimevictimsinstitute.org/documents/Adolescent_Behavior_3.1.11.pdf http://www.crimevictimsinstitute.org/documents/Adolescent_Be... , which has an extensive list of state-by-state laws.
  - anonymoushn 13y ago
    I am aware. rmc said "We don't want any form of sex with children to be legal (and I hope no-one's really suggesting this)." He is apparently not aware that it is legal for some children to have sex with some other children, and for some children to have sex with some adults, and really hopes that I don't suggest legalizing these things. The natural question when someone says "I hope no one's really suggesting <the status quo>" is to ask if they really mean that we should change our policy in that area, I think.
    - lotharbot 13y ago
      > "He is apparently not aware" More likely, he's aware but chose not to address it (he confirms this in a sibling comment.) His point was about the effect of legalizing CP on "adult/children sex"; including disclaimers about age gaps involving borderline-adults and borderline-children would have made his comment less readable for little benefit. The natural response to someone missing a disclaimer is to either let it slide or to note it in a non-adversarial way ("it is legal for those close enough in age" or something like that.)
- rmc 13y ago
  Nope. I'm fully in support of it being legal based on age gap, and neither having position of power etc. But there is an large age range where it almost certainly should be illegal. Is there any situtation where a 40 year old can have sex with a 10 year old? I think not. This is and should be illegal. We should stamp that out.
drcube 13y ago
> We don't want any form of sex with children to be legal (and I hope no-one's really suggesting this) Children should be able to have sex with other children legally. Though I don't know how you could transfer that legality to porn. Look at sexting. Kids can be charged with child pornography simply for having naked pictures of themselves, or their girlfriend/boyfriend, on their phone. I figure if I'm underage, I should still be able to take pictures and possess pornography featuring myself. And if I so desire, why shouldn't I be able to sell that picture and make money? I'm not necessarily advocating all this, it's just food for thought.