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>especially when temperatures have dropped despite higher emissions the past 10 years How do you figure? 2012 was the hottest year on record. http://news.nati

>especially when temperatures have dropped despite higher emissions the past 10 years How do you figure? 2012 was the hottest year on record. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/01/130109-warmest-year-record-2012-global-warming-science-environment-united-states/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/01/130109-warme... Or 2011: >The WMO, part of the United Nations, said the warmest 13 years of average global temperatures have all occurred in the 15 years since 1997. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/29/us-climate-conference-idUSTRE7AS0MQ20111129 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/29/us-climate-confere...

danielweber 13y ago
2012 was the hottest year on record ... for the continental US. Carbon is a global issue. These debates are tiring. (Some) people on both sides will use whatever argument suits the current narrative, even if it disagrees with other arguments they make at later times. Compare what happens during a heat wave or a cold snap.
- commandar 13y ago
  >.. for the continental US. Fair point. It does, however, ignore the second link which was for global averages. >In both cases, scientists said the 2012 global temperature records further consolidate a pattern of global warming. Each year of the 21st century has ranked among the 14 hottest since record keeping began in 1880. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/16/2012-10-warmest-years-on-record http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/16/2012-10-wa... The claim that temperatures have dropped for the past ten years seems to be patently false from the data I'm finding.
  - danielweber 13y ago
    They haven't dropped. Global temperatures have been flat, though. You can see how the article makes a quote that doesn't disagree with that by using weird other metrics. I've seen the climate scientists' explanation for this and why it doesn't disagree with global warming and it doesn't set off my BS detectors (i.e., they seem like good explanations, but there are certainly ways they could lie to me and I couldn't detect it). Their direct statements are a much better source than the media's game of telephone with their reports.
    - commandar 13y ago
      >They haven't dropped. Global temperatures have been flat, though. That still doesn't seem to hold true. This is the UN WMO's report for 2012, direct; the graphs on pages 6 and 7 are particularly relevant: http://library.wmo.int/pmb_ged/wmo_1108_en.pdf http://library.wmo.int/pmb_ged/wmo_1108_en.pdf >I've seen the climate scientists' explanation for this and why it doesn't disagree with global warming and it doesn't set off my BS detectors (i.e., they seem like good explanations, but there are certainly ways they could lie to me and I couldn't detect it). I'd certainly be willing to take a look if you could provide a source.
      - danielweber 13y ago
        I can see someone disagreeing, but those two graphs look pretty flat for 2000-2010. Certainly no overall "up" or "down" trend. (Or, if there's one, then it keeps on swapping turns with the other.) The explanation was having to do with local cycles, I believe. I didn't grok it well enough to understand it or else I would have presented it; it was, however, decent enough to pass my "this is BS" filter. A lot of things don't.

danielweber 13y ago

2012 was the hottest year on record ... for the continental US. Carbon is a global issue. These debates are tiring. (Some) people on both sides will use whatever argument suits the current narrative, even if it disagrees with other arguments they make at later times. Compare what happens during a heat wave or a cold snap.

commandar 13y ago
>.. for the continental US. Fair point. It does, however, ignore the second link which was for global averages. >In both cases, scientists said the 2012 global temperature records further consolidate a pattern of global warming. Each year of the 21st century has ranked among the 14 hottest since record keeping began in 1880. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/16/2012-10-warmest-years-on-record http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/16/2012-10-wa... The claim that temperatures have dropped for the past ten years seems to be patently false from the data I'm finding.
- danielweber 13y ago
  They haven't dropped. Global temperatures have been flat, though. You can see how the article makes a quote that doesn't disagree with that by using weird other metrics. I've seen the climate scientists' explanation for this and why it doesn't disagree with global warming and it doesn't set off my BS detectors (i.e., they seem like good explanations, but there are certainly ways they could lie to me and I couldn't detect it). Their direct statements are a much better source than the media's game of telephone with their reports.
  - commandar 13y ago
    >They haven't dropped. Global temperatures have been flat, though. That still doesn't seem to hold true. This is the UN WMO's report for 2012, direct; the graphs on pages 6 and 7 are particularly relevant: http://library.wmo.int/pmb_ged/wmo_1108_en.pdf http://library.wmo.int/pmb_ged/wmo_1108_en.pdf >I've seen the climate scientists' explanation for this and why it doesn't disagree with global warming and it doesn't set off my BS detectors (i.e., they seem like good explanations, but there are certainly ways they could lie to me and I couldn't detect it). I'd certainly be willing to take a look if you could provide a source.
    - danielweber 13y ago
      I can see someone disagreeing, but those two graphs look pretty flat for 2000-2010. Certainly no overall "up" or "down" trend. (Or, if there's one, then it keeps on swapping turns with the other.) The explanation was having to do with local cycles, I believe. I didn't grok it well enough to understand it or else I would have presented it; it was, however, decent enough to pass my "this is BS" filter. A lot of things don't.