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Honestly, with the hate-mongering, the amount of rumours dressed like news on these high-traffic websites flooded with so called keyboard-warriors, I actually w

by seivan 13y ago

Honestly, with the hate-mongering, the amount of rumours dressed like news on these high-traffic websites flooded with so called keyboard-warriors, I actually welcome something to counter it... however... Unfortunately it will be poorly implemented, and going to look like Chinas firewall. I just wish instead of trying to spend money on silencing most of the bunch of morons who somehow got an audience on lies and rumours (most of the time) - they open up to more transparency and would somehow counter most of the bs articles. They like to call themselves "alternative media" and everyone else are "politically correct corrupt media". Sigh. ps Does anyone remember the series of images comparing George Orwell with someone else regarding the overload of bad/junk information? ds

carbocation 13y ago
> ps Does anyone remember the series of images comparing Orson Wells with someone else regarding the overload of bad/junk information? You're referring to Stuart McMillen's comic-style adaptation of a part of Neil Postman's book, "Amusing Ourselves to Death". Though McMillen has removed his poster at the request of Postman's estate [1], you can still find the comic on the internet [2]. 1 = http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/blog/cartoon-blog/amusing-ourselves-to-death/ http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/blog/cartoon-blog/amusing-ours... 2 = http://www.juxtapoz.com/current/huxley-vs-orwell-in-graphic-form http://www.juxtapoz.com/current/huxley-vs-orwell-in-graphic-...
- seivan 13y ago
  Thank you! I think the best way to do what Orson Welles tried to warn us about, is to "amuse your sheeps to death".
  - carbocation 13y ago
    My pleasure! Just to reduce the mixing of themes, I wanted to comment that amusement is a big part of Huxley's Brave New World, but it really doesn't fit with Orwell's 1984. Postman's thesis is that Huxley, not Orwell, was more prescient in his fears for humanity.
mseebach 13y ago
> Honestly, with the hate-mongering, the amount of rumours dressed like news on these high-traffic websites flooded with so called keyboard-warriors, I actually welcome something to counter it... however... I am absolutely certain Orson Welles would not be seen dead in your company (unfortunately, he's not around to complain). Attitudes like yours have been exploited to justify every limitation on the freedom of speech in the history of limitations on freedom of speech - and it's very long. You're what a certain imposer of these limitations referred to a useful idiot.
- seivan 13y ago
  I think you lack reading comprehension. I did not say George Orwell was behind the concept stated. I did not agree with the solution/suggestion presented by the Singaporean government. I said the hate-mongering articles/rumours posted by these sites for ad-money _IS A PROBLEM_ that can easily be handled by refuting their bs with proof and transparency. Seriously, reading comprehension. Though I do think my sentences were poorly structured, it did not say what you you seem to think it said.
  - mseebach 13y ago
    No, my reading comprehension is fine. You explicitly endorsed the measure and write not a single word that could be construed to refer to "proof and transparency". EDIT this response was submitted before "Though I do think my sentences were poorly structured, it did not say what you you seem to think it said." was added.
    - seivan 13y ago
      "- they open up to more transparency and would somehow counter most of the bs articles." Again, it's poorly structured, but not as poorly as missing the entire word "transparency"
- sp332 13y ago
  Is there no middle ground where we can have political dissent without vicious gossip and other crap newspapers do? After writing I am... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents, Thomas Jefferson later noted, I deplore... the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed and the malignity, the vulgarity, and mendacious spirit of those who write for them... These ordures are rapidly depraving the public taste and lessening its relish for sound food. As vehicles of information and a curb on our funtionaries, they have rendered themselves useless by forfeiting all title to belief. http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJefferson/jeff1600.htm http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJefferson...
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- seivan 13y ago
  Absolutely right, no idea why I got it wrong.

by seivan 13y ago

carbocation 13y ago

> ps Does anyone remember the series of images comparing Orson Wells with someone else regarding the overload of bad/junk information? You're referring to Stuart McMillen's comic-style adaptation of a part of Neil Postman's book, "Amusing Ourselves to Death". Though McMillen has removed his poster at the request of Postman's estate [1], you can still find the comic on the internet [2]. 1 = http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/blog/cartoon-blog/amusing-ourselves-to-death/ http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/blog/cartoon-blog/amusing-ours... 2 = http://www.juxtapoz.com/current/huxley-vs-orwell-in-graphic-form http://www.juxtapoz.com/current/huxley-vs-orwell-in-graphic-...

seivan 13y ago
Thank you! I think the best way to do what Orson Welles tried to warn us about, is to "amuse your sheeps to death".
- carbocation 13y ago
  My pleasure! Just to reduce the mixing of themes, I wanted to comment that amusement is a big part of Huxley's Brave New World, but it really doesn't fit with Orwell's 1984. Postman's thesis is that Huxley, not Orwell, was more prescient in his fears for humanity.

mseebach 13y ago

> Honestly, with the hate-mongering, the amount of rumours dressed like news on these high-traffic websites flooded with so called keyboard-warriors, I actually welcome something to counter it... however... I am absolutely certain Orson Welles would not be seen dead in your company (unfortunately, he's not around to complain). Attitudes like yours have been exploited to justify every limitation on the freedom of speech in the history of limitations on freedom of speech - and it's very long. You're what a certain imposer of these limitations referred to a useful idiot.

seivan 13y ago
I think you lack reading comprehension. I did not say George Orwell was behind the concept stated. I did not agree with the solution/suggestion presented by the Singaporean government. I said the hate-mongering articles/rumours posted by these sites for ad-money _IS A PROBLEM_ that can easily be handled by refuting their bs with proof and transparency. Seriously, reading comprehension. Though I do think my sentences were poorly structured, it did not say what you you seem to think it said.
- mseebach 13y ago
  No, my reading comprehension is fine. You explicitly endorsed the measure and write not a single word that could be construed to refer to "proof and transparency". EDIT this response was submitted before "Though I do think my sentences were poorly structured, it did not say what you you seem to think it said." was added.
  - seivan 13y ago
    "- they open up to more transparency and would somehow counter most of the bs articles." Again, it's poorly structured, but not as poorly as missing the entire word "transparency"
sp332 13y ago
Is there no middle ground where we can have political dissent without vicious gossip and other crap newspapers do? After writing I am... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents, Thomas Jefferson later noted, I deplore... the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed and the malignity, the vulgarity, and mendacious spirit of those who write for them... These ordures are rapidly depraving the public taste and lessening its relish for sound food. As vehicles of information and a curb on our funtionaries, they have rendered themselves useless by forfeiting all title to belief. http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJefferson/jeff1600.htm http://www.famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJefferson...

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seivan 13y ago
Absolutely right, no idea why I got it wrong.