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He's making the right decision-- not having the college degree will hurt him in the future, and for quite a long time-- but I think some of what he's saying is
by michaelochurch 13y ago
He's making the right decision-- not having the college degree will hurt him in the future, and for quite a long time-- but I think some of what he's saying is wrong.
The most interesting technical problems of the next decade won’t be solved in areas of knowledge that can be self-taught, and most technical knowledge remains locked up in traditional academia.
Disagree strongly with "can't be self taught". Graduate school is mostly teaching yourself; guided self-study.
It's just hard to do that when you also have bills to pay. Perhaps a new startup idea: how to make MOOCs look like work (as in what you're paid to do). There's often too much motion in those videos, while you miss out on some detail if it's audio-only.
The next generation of innovation will come from larger organizations, where traditional credentials are more highly valued than in degree-agnostic web tech startups.
Half-true. It'll come from small elite consulting firms that serve larger companies. In-house innovation at large companies is a political rat's nest. Either the program gets ruined by "they have to follow the same rules as everyone else" policies or the R&D center becomes a true CoE (Center of Excellence) and then everyone capable wants to work in it. Either way, I don't many large companies will succeed at this.
It was somewhat different in the age of the paternalistic corporation. You could talk to your boss and say, "I want to be working in PARC/Google-X/Bell Labs in 5 years" and start the discussion about how to get there. Now, you let it be known that you have higher aspirations and your ass gets fired.
Want to work on the self driving car? That Ivy league engineering credential is your ticket onto that sort of team.
No undergraduate degree accomplishes that. The MIT and Harvard grads face closed-allocation bullshit like everyone else. A PhD might get you halfway there. Still, I think it comes down to politics in most of these organizations.
If I'm being unduly critical, I still believe OP is making the right decision (of going back and getting his college degree) but I don't buy into his particular reasoning. I don't think anyone knows where The Future is coming from, but established organizations are not it.
- FD3SA 13y ago"It's just hard to do that when you also have bills to pay. Perhaps a new startup idea: how to make MOOCs look like work (as in what you're paid to do)." This is the crux of the matter. With the current employment climate for new grads, education is an expense, not an investment. Employment in the tech sector is highly experience based, such that a college degree is only useful for entry level positions. The problem we have to solve is how to allow for structured learning to occur in a system where learning is prohibitively expensive. This is independent of college costs, as even MOOCs require costs of living to be covered. I wholeheartedly believe that we have quickly saturated the low hanging fruits of web and mobile app development. Future breakthroughs are sure to be in traditional high tech areas such as machine learning, material science, and advanced engineering. How we go about allowing people who are currently working with a salary the opportunity to upgrade their skills without massive debt is the trillion dollar question of the next decade.
- michaelochurch 13y agoHow we go about allowing people who are currently working with a salary the opportunity to upgrade their skills without massive debt is the trillion dollar question of the next decade. I agree. Trillion dollars is not an underestimate, even though we sound insane when we use those numbers: http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/programmer-autonomy-is-a-1-trillion-issue/ http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/programmer-au...
- praptak 13y agoMaybe "Can't" is too strong but some areas are very hard to self-teach. One reason is stumbling blocks. In academia you have TAs and fellow students who can spend half an hour explaining you a hard concept. Asking on stackexchange cannot always beat that. The other reason is motivation. In academia you are being prodded towards the next milestone. On your own you need to set own milestones and find internal motivation to reach each one.