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I don't see anything wrong with a single developer concentrating on a few projects? How many developers do you know that make significant contributions to many

by buster 13y ago

I don't see anything wrong with a single developer concentrating on a few projects? How many developers do you know that make significant contributions to many different projects?! Do you have a source for you claim that lennarts explicitely not supports non-Gnome? I think it is pretty clear that he doesn't support non-Linux, but why is that wrong? Looking into the git contributions he is not even the one who contributed most! http://pastebin.com/bkUs3jXa http://pastebin.com/bkUs3jXa On the other hand: What i don't like about Canonical is their latest move to first pretend to support Wayland and then mysteriously presenting Mir all the while spreading bullshit about how Wayland is not good enough.

nknighthb 13y ago
> I don't see anything wrong with a single developer concentrating on a few projects? Neither would I, if they were projects worth concentrating on or of any meaningful long-term value to the community. > I think it is pretty clear that he doesn't support non-Linux, but why is that wrong? systemd invites/demands dependencies on its own, unique interfaces that do not and will not exist outside Linux. This retards progress of other projects in supporting non-Linux systems. Lennart has actively encouraged this: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00427.html https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/... > What i don't like about Canonical is their latest move to first pretend to support Wayland and then mysteriously presenting Mir all the while spreading bullshit about how Wayland is not good enough. Red Hat began to support Upstart before switching to their in-house systemd and spreading bullshit about how Upstart is not good enough. Why is it OK when Red Hat tries to come up with new things but not Canonical? Do you work for one of these companies? > Looking into the git contributions he is not even the one who contributed most! See my other post downthread. You are incorrect.
- buster 13y ago
  No, not working for any of them. See my comment that it's still incorrect saying Lennart does all the work. You can easily check the git yourself, go ahead.
  - jeltz 13y ago
    Was there something wron with the methodology used in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg01365.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg01365.html which showed a 78% contribution from Pottering? Personally I do not see anything wrong with that, but 78% is basically doing all the coding.
    - buster 13y ago
      Well, i did the same and came to vastly different numbers. It's easy to do: Do a git checkout and run git ls-files | grep -v udev | xargs -n1 -d'\n' -i git blame {} | perl -n -e '/\s\((.*?)\s[0-9]{4}/ && print "$1\n"' | sort -f | uniq -c -w3 | sort -n Even taking out udev shows Kay Sievers contributing nearly as much as Lennart. It also shows many other people contributing. That there is a main developer that does a lot of work is not something negative about a project, isn't it?!
      - nknighthb 13y ago
        > i did the same No, you didn't. Your command line is not limited to source code, but includes, for starters, the massive hardware database checked in by Kay: 66888 hwdb/20-pci-vendor-model.hwdb 66185 hwdb/20-OUI.hwdb 49014 hwdb/20-usb-vendor-model.hwdb 6596 hwdb/20-acpi-vendor.hwdb You performed a fundamentally different and flawed test. > That there is a main developer that does a lot of work is not something negative about a project, isn't it?! You were the one who complained about Canonical not "working together", not me. I'm just holding you to your own standard.
rlpb 13y ago
> their latest move to first pretend to support Wayland In November 2010 [1]. > and then mysteriously presenting Mir In March 2013 [2]. Technologies change. The best path to follow can change. Switching paths over two years is surely acceptable and reasonable for any company. Claiming that Canonical "pretended" is false and misleading - or do you have any evidence of this? > Looking into the git contributions he is not even the one who contributed most! Others have already rebutted this: udev accounts for most other contributors, leaving Lennart for the vast majority of systemd. Do you have anything to say that isn't deliberately misleading? [1]: http://www.pcworld.com/article/210018/ubuntu_more_changes_bye_x_hello_wayland.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/210018/ubuntu_more_changes_by... [2]: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/05/canonical_mir_announcement/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/05/canonical_mir_announ...
- mseepgood 13y ago
  > In March 2013 [2] Development of Mir started 9 months earlier. So they basically lied into the face of the whole Free Software community and the Wayland developers who counted on their support by not communicating their change of heart.

by buster 13y ago

nknighthb 13y ago

> I don't see anything wrong with a single developer concentrating on a few projects? Neither would I, if they were projects worth concentrating on or of any meaningful long-term value to the community. > I think it is pretty clear that he doesn't support non-Linux, but why is that wrong? systemd invites/demands dependencies on its own, unique interfaces that do not and will not exist outside Linux. This retards progress of other projects in supporting non-Linux systems. Lennart has actively encouraged this: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00427.html https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/... > What i don't like about Canonical is their latest move to first pretend to support Wayland and then mysteriously presenting Mir all the while spreading bullshit about how Wayland is not good enough. Red Hat began to support Upstart before switching to their in-house systemd and spreading bullshit about how Upstart is not good enough. Why is it OK when Red Hat tries to come up with new things but not Canonical? Do you work for one of these companies? > Looking into the git contributions he is not even the one who contributed most! See my other post downthread. You are incorrect.

buster 13y ago
No, not working for any of them. See my comment that it's still incorrect saying Lennart does all the work. You can easily check the git yourself, go ahead.
- jeltz 13y ago
  Was there something wron with the methodology used in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg01365.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg01365.html which showed a 78% contribution from Pottering? Personally I do not see anything wrong with that, but 78% is basically doing all the coding.
  - buster 13y ago
    Well, i did the same and came to vastly different numbers. It's easy to do: Do a git checkout and run git ls-files | grep -v udev | xargs -n1 -d'\n' -i git blame {} | perl -n -e '/\s\((.*?)\s[0-9]{4}/ && print "$1\n"' | sort -f | uniq -c -w3 | sort -n Even taking out udev shows Kay Sievers contributing nearly as much as Lennart. It also shows many other people contributing. That there is a main developer that does a lot of work is not something negative about a project, isn't it?!
    - nknighthb 13y ago
      > i did the same No, you didn't. Your command line is not limited to source code, but includes, for starters, the massive hardware database checked in by Kay: 66888 hwdb/20-pci-vendor-model.hwdb 66185 hwdb/20-OUI.hwdb 49014 hwdb/20-usb-vendor-model.hwdb 6596 hwdb/20-acpi-vendor.hwdb You performed a fundamentally different and flawed test. > That there is a main developer that does a lot of work is not something negative about a project, isn't it?! You were the one who complained about Canonical not "working together", not me. I'm just holding you to your own standard.

rlpb 13y ago

> their latest move to first pretend to support Wayland In November 2010 [1]. > and then mysteriously presenting Mir In March 2013 [2]. Technologies change. The best path to follow can change. Switching paths over two years is surely acceptable and reasonable for any company. Claiming that Canonical "pretended" is false and misleading - or do you have any evidence of this? > Looking into the git contributions he is not even the one who contributed most! Others have already rebutted this: udev accounts for most other contributors, leaving Lennart for the vast majority of systemd. Do you have anything to say that isn't deliberately misleading? [1]: http://www.pcworld.com/article/210018/ubuntu_more_changes_bye_x_hello_wayland.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/210018/ubuntu_more_changes_by... [2]: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/05/canonical_mir_announcement/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/05/canonical_mir_announ...

mseepgood 13y ago
> In March 2013 [2] Development of Mir started 9 months earlier. So they basically lied into the face of the whole Free Software community and the Wayland developers who counted on their support by not communicating their change of heart.