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Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released
- JungleGymSam 13y agoJust installed it and my only comment so far is that, when maximized, there is a non-clickable gap between the top of a top and the top of the screen. This is a big usability mistake so I hope they correct it at some point. Firefox does this too and it drives me insane. Chrome is the only one (that I use) that does it right.
- gkoberger 13y agoOperating system? You should file a bug against Firefox (and Opera, I suppose.)
- nuttendorfer 13y agoThis has been this way for the last few versions or rather since they changed the UI in version 11 I think. This allows you do double click this array to return to window mode or "drag it down" from maximized which will return it to window mode (Windows).
- HelloMcFly 13y agoWhat OS? I have Firefox for Windows and have no unclickable space between the top of the tabs and top of the screen. I've never experienced that before on any release I can remember.
- nuttendorfer 13y agoOpera on Windows, sorry I should have made that clear.
- JungleGymSam 13y agoSee here: http://i.imgur.com/6LFXPbV.png http://i.imgur.com/6LFXPbV.png You don't have that tiny (2px?) gap?
- spyder 13y agoIt's clickable for me and focuses the tab when clicked.
- HelloMcFly 13y agoI do have that gap visually, but I can click on it to focus on that tab.
- dorkwagon 13y agoFirefox has the "correct" behavior for me, though the old Opera doesn't.
- ubojan 13y agoFirefox on Windows doesn't have this issue. You can fix this issue for classic Opera (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=437971&t=1369727090&page=1#comment4454691 http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=437971&...), but it seems that config manager for Opera Next doesn't work like old version (or maybe is completely removed?).
- CasualSuperman 13y agoIt's been like this since at least Opera 10; don't count on them doing anything about it.
- Tomis02 13y ago> This is a big usability mistake Not so. That space makes things much easier when dragging the browser window around (i.e. between multiple monitors). And the casual user really does not care.
- ohwp 13y agoI didn't test this one, but the new mobile version of Opera is horrible. I like Opera very much and I just can't believe they released this mobile version (also take a look at the latest reviews: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.opera.browser https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.opera.brow...). It feels like Opera is having a very hard time to keep its head above the water.
- DelvarWorld 13y agoIt drowned a long time ago, we just get to see its corpse bobbing around every now and then.
- kmfrk 13y agoThey had to release a Classic version as a result: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.opera.browser.classic&feature=more_from_developer#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLm9wZXJhLmJyb3dzZXIuY2xhc3NpYyJd https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.opera.brow....
- superdude 13y agoHave they removed bookmarks?
- jacobr 13y agoThey are merged with the speed dial feature, which now has folders. More like visual bookmarks.
- simfoo 13y agoI'm wondering too. I can't find any option related to bookmarks whatsoever.
- nuttendorfer 13y agoThey are adding features as they go, so I might still come. Strange they left out such an essential feature however.
- peroo 13y agoThe "Stash" feature on the speed dial page seems intended to replace it. I've long since stopped using in-browser bookmarks in favor of just keeping tabs around forever, so this seems like a good compromise.
- iopq 13y agoIt's like I'm really using Chrome! Although probably everyone saw this coming - it's just a skin of Chromium. They just took a few months to make a new mail client and put Opera icons everywhere.
- faaaah 13y agoIt's not just a skin. It's a new interface remade from scratch. And unlike Chrome it's actually native. Must have been a massive undertaking. The new email client seems to be the old Opera only with browsing features removed. Must have been a quick job. So on both of these it's the opposite of what you are claiming...
- gtklocker 13y agoWhat do you mean native? How is this more native than Chrome?
- nuttendorfer 13y agoA recent change in Chrome I've noticed are menus and context menus. They are no longer native and I guess they resemble ChromeOS' menus.
- ksec 13y agoIt doesn;t allow Tab Overflow or any other UI features suggest to me this is nothing more or a Rework of Skin instead of a whole new UI rewritten from scratch.
- faaaah 13y agoPet features not being implemented yet doesn't mean it's a skin. Read what the Opera devs are writing instead of speculating.
- dubcanada 13y agoOh yes, cause that's clearly all they have been doing. Not completely changing their entire business, learning how Chromium works, building their mobile version, changing a complete theme, separating mail client, I could go on and on but I think you get the picture. You clearly don't develop software, if you think all they did the last 3 months is add icons.
- dave1010uk 13y agoHere's a list of features supported by the latest Chrome and latest Opera http://caniuse.com/#compare=chrome+28,opera+12.1 http://caniuse.com/#compare=chrome+28,opera+12.1 There's a couple of things that Opera might be loosing in this update, with the switch to Blink. Hopefully anything the do loose they'll be able to port over soon.
- claudius 13y agoThe most annoying feature in Chrome to me is its inability to select text. Yes, you read that right, it is impossible to select text in Chrome. Instead, what you get is selected elements – divs, headlines and the like, which causes horrible breakage if you just want to select (and then copy) simple letters.
- lostsock 13y agoHuh? I'm using chrome now and can easily select single letters, words or your whole comment. Care to elaborate? Windows 7 - Version 27.0.1453.94 m (which BTWI copied and pasted from Chromes about page)
- claudius 13y agoSelecting single words, letters etc. works fine, yes, but Chromium seems to tend to select whole elements rather than only the ‘visible’ text. There was a particular case recently where this annoyed me greatly, I will try to remember it as my memory currently appears to be blacked out. (Another annoying bit about Webkit in general: if you underline an element (such as a link) and then use sup inside this element, the underline is moved up under the superscript.)
- shrikant 13y agoThis is what claudius means (screenshots from the latest versions running on Ubuntu 13.04): Firefox: http://i.imgur.com/2yPmm0K.png http://i.imgur.com/2yPmm0K.png Chrome: http://i.imgur.com/EXz8wQF.png http://i.imgur.com/EXz8wQF.png FWIW, I have the not uncommon affliction of selecting text on articles and blog posts as I read along. Chrome's text selection "paradigm" is greatly annoying as it tends to be a little, uh, unpredictable on layouts with a middling level of complexity.
- nuttendorfer 13y agoAnybody know whether they plan to stick with Chromium or will switch to Blink in the future?
- jaredsohn 13y agoYes. :) By sticking with Chromium, Opera will automatically start using Blink when Chromium starts using it.
- nuttendorfer 13y agoHa! Right, I meant Webkit in the OP, but that answered my question anyway. Thanks!
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- richtr 13y agoOpera Next 15 is based on Chromium 28 which is the first stable release of Blink. So you're looking at Blink already.
- bobsy 13y agoI don't get it. Maybe i misremember but I thought Opera was a feature rich browser with an email client, widgets and a bunch of other stuff. Now mail has been shunted into its own product. I don't see widgets. It really looks and feels like a skin for Chrome and nothing more which makes me wonder what the point is. If I want Chrome I will use Chrome. OK, this is a preview but the news doesn't suggest any of these old features are coming across.
- andreastt 13y agoI'm biased since I've worked on it, but I personally find the native UI a pretty major thing.
- hobbes 13y agoIt is a major thing but, as someone who's worked on it, how about addressing the parent's point?
- dreadynot 13y agoI wish I could have tried it but as usual no love for linux users from opera, or much delayed love. But still I have a hard time thinking that removing many features, not improving features that have been broken for years while almost doubling the size of the download is any kind of improvement. I wish opera would release their engine as opensource so people can take it up from there. I don't want no google/apple browser or webkit only web experience.
- Ziomislaw 13y agoyou are mistaken, there is a lot of love to unix'ish systems. for example opera is the only "popular" browser with packages for freebsd. This is a new product so I would be _very_ suprised if they didn't limit the amount of platforms they released it initially to.
- miloshadzic 13y agoIt looks and works great so far. Good job.
- michalstanko 13y agoWhile I understand what drove the decision to start using Webkit, I was hoping for a more Opera-like UI and experience. All the power features are gone. Unfortunately this preview looks like just another Yandex browser.
- ksec 13y agoOpera used to Pack all the features of a browser and email and more into a 15MB downloadable exe. Now the browser itself is 25MB already This is Chrome. I was hoping for Tab Overflow? No Drop Down list of Open Tabs. They kept it like Opera, which means no H.264 support. Basically that means i am sticking to Firefox.
- porker 13y agoIf the mail client is good, then having it stand-alone is a great idea - with Thunderbird no longer updated I could do with an alternative on Windows (something that uses less RAM than keeping GMail open in a Chrome tab...)
- stinos 13y agoFor me the built-in mail/rss is one of the main reasons I stick to Opera, it's just so convenient not having to switch applications.
- kyrias 13y ago> with Thunderbird no longer updated What are you talking about?
- azio 13y agoWhat he meant is Thunderbird doesn't get new features. Bug fixes doesn't count.
- cookiecaper 13y agoMozilla recently placed Thunderbird in a maintenance-only state, where active feature development has ceased but stability, security, and speed improvements will continue to be merged. This is why Thunderbird is on v17 instead of Firefox's v21 after graduating versions in lockstep with Fx for a while. It doesn't mean they won't accept features, they've just stated that they're not going to be focusing any of their development wherewithal on these. Personally I think it's a good move as TB has plenty of features for a mail client but could really do with some optimization to speed and memory usage.
- learningram 13y agoSo what would be a good client on Windows ?
- fetbaffe 13y ago
- gtklocker 13y agoA thing I've noticed is that pinch to zoom is much more smooth than Chrome in OS X. How do I switch tabs using my keyboard? Cmd-<N> doesn't work, so does not Cmd-Alt-Left|Right.
- klausa 13y agoIsn't control-tab and control-shift-tab usual key combination for that?
- claudius 13y agoI hope that there is a preferences dialog somewhere where one can change that? (On Debian, hence no new version for me yet.)
- abrowne 13y agoCtrl-tab works for cycling (and ctrl--shift-tab or ctrl-` for cycling in reverse), but I too miss either cmd-opt-arrow or (my preference) cmd-shift-[ and -].
- gtklocker 13y agoHow do I switch tabs using my keyboard? Cmd-<N> doesn't work, so does not Cmd-Alt-Left|Right.
- anonymfus 13y agoNo middle click on tab bar to create new tab. Simple mouse gestures work, but without visual guide, configuration and without right click + scroll. Most horrible thing: MDI don't work. Popups opens in new window, like other browsers, instead of new tabs, like old Opera! Alerts currently don't have any chrome, so may be they would develop this later. Opera Link don't work. Text selection in links via mouse don't work. No sidebar. Verdict: in current state unusable for old Opera users.
- anonymfus 13y agoBelow there is a list not so important missing features. No thumbnails/previews in tab bar. No any customisation of toolbars. No fast forward. One-key keyboard shortcuts work, but funny: in text boxes they work simultaneous with text input. Ctrl+Z don't open old tabs. No image properties, so no EXIF viewer.
- andreastt 13y agoGuys, please remember that the browser has been rebuilt from scratch. It's going to take a while to get all of the features we want back in.
- anonymfus 13y agoThis is simple list of such features. Judging by past Opera development, they always need massive complains to fix something.
- blaabjerg 13y agoWhat makes you think they intend to get all the features we want back in? I hope you're right, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that's the case.
- miloshadzic 13y agoAFAIK he works on it.
- klausa 13y agoSigh... I was hoping they'd keep UI, just swap the internals. That was main reason I used Opera - I feel like it's interface was much more powerful than those of other browsers, but engine performance just wasn't there. But this doesn't bear any resemblance to Opera I knew and liked. No pinned tabs. No 'paste-and-go'. No... nothing. I fully understand why they did it, and it very well might be just what they needed to do to survive, I won't be looking back. ...and I was hoping to ditch Safari :(
- nuttendorfer 13y agoKeep in mind that this is just a preview, a work in progress until they are back at where they were!
- bambax 13y agoRemember this ad, from exactly three years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8 And now after all this, they made Opera just a skin for Chrome? These people have no respect for themselves.
- omgmog 13y agoIt's still faster than a potato!
- lepunk 13y agoOpera has been my primary browser since version 9 or so. When I heard the announcement that they will use the Chromium engine I was actually quite happy. They have been contributing to web standards a lot and with the power of the Chrome community I'm sure we will see big innovations. However this preview release is a big downer for me. I know it is a work in progress but it is missing some key features like the RSS reader, the ctrl + z combo to bring back closed tabs and many more. So I'm not switching just yet but I'm hopeful.
- lepunk 13y agoalso i found ctrl + shift + L is missing which was an excellent way to export all links from a page (like an apache index-of page) and the biggest annoyance (which was only working in opera before): i usually set up custom domains to my local development like lepunk.loc or similar. opera used to interpret it correctly but now it does what any other browser do: does a google search
- fetbaffe 13y agoThe performance is amazing! Simple selector test http://jsperf.com/jquery-selectors-vs-native-api/7 http://jsperf.com/jquery-selectors-vs-native-api/7 On my machine document.getElementById Opera 12.15: 2,089,859 Opera next: 15,609,851
- upthedale 13y agoDoes this use the same process-per-tab sandboxing that Chrome uses? I'm one of those crazy users with far too many tabs, and I was always sceptical that Chrome would be able to handle them all. Opera always ran happily with 100+ tabs. Perhaps this is the reason for the introduction of the 'stash', which in fairness might be a better solution (as I'm not necessarily defending 100+ tabs, but its a habit that has worked for me so far)
- ger_phpmagazin 13y agoTested it. It does.
- andybak 13y agoI was a 100 tab kind of guy but this has helped me kick the habit: http://www.one-tab.com/ http://www.one-tab.com/
- Tomis02 13y agoThat site seems to be created specifically for bloated browsers like Chrome. 1981 MB memory used for around 20 tabs? That's crazy. And why would you pack so many tabs on just one single line? In Opera you can (at least for now) wrap your tab bar on multiple lines, show an extender menu, disable it (and scroll with right mb + wheel) or simply move the tab bar on the left/right side of the screen, while having a decent resource consumption, all out of the box. Edit: now I realized it is indeed created specifically for Chrome, it's an extension that tries to help circumvent poor browser design.
- bdz 13y agoNo built in Flash? I mean it's kind of a dealbreaker in Chrome, not just against Opera but Safari too. You don't need to install any Adobe crapware, still you can use it. Also you can disable it and set it up to use it like the Click-to-Flash extension.
- twenty2 13y agoLet's try to put this in some perspective: this is a 'new product' 'built from scratch' that has been provided at a version 1 'alpha release' level by an independent browser company based on a tried and tested rendering engine. Like most users there are some features I will sorely miss here but I'm going to give it a try for a few days. See how things go from there. Seems like Opera has given us a lot of innovation in the past. Most people might miss the significance of the change to Chromium for a small company like Opera. My gut feeling is that once they get over this initial bump in the road we will see a lot more existing and new features come our way (at least I will hold on to that thought!). I suspect they have much more time to focus on adding cool stuff now rather than keeping their head above water and we should all get a first-rate new browser to play with as a result. Let's see what happens but I won't ever pass judgement on any first ever 'built from scratch' 'alpha' release of something.
- SG- 13y agoI'm not exactly sure "built from scratch" applies to this new browser considering it mostly just seems to be Chrome at this point and not really bringing many features from older Opera.
- dalys 13y agoI just tried the Peacekeeper benchmark from Futuremark (http://peacekeeper.futuremark.com/ http://peacekeeper.futuremark.com/) on both Chrome and Opera Next on Windows 8 x64. The results: Chrome Version 26.0.1410.64 m: 2418 points, HTML5 Capabilities 5/7 Opera Next Version 15.0.1147.18: 4248 points, HTML5 Capabilities 5/7 Anyone else get similar results?
- ZeWaren 13y agoAlso, I can't find how to put my tabs on the left side of the window. I don't think I can live without this anymore. What's the point of having wide screens if you stack everything vertically? I also hope they won't remove the bookmark panel. Having your entire bookmark tree open anytime is a very pleasant feature in my opinion.
- brainburn 13y agoTabs on the left is so awesome. First thing I checked, sad to not see it included :( Firefox has a plugin for it but it's all just too sluggish. I'll just use the old opera for now.
- atesti 13y agoEven with chrome you can have it (or has it been removed recently?)! It was in chrome://flags!
- pepijndevos 13y agoEvery change will break someones workflow. http://xkcd.com/1172/ http://xkcd.com/1172/
- nnnnni 13y agoHere's my question… If it's basically just a reskinned Chromium, why even bother with it?
- andrewcooke 13y agodoes it show weird size variations on the text here? that's what i got with chrome on android and why i switched to opera...
- kmfrk 13y agoThis is a bigger PR disaster than Xbox One. Everyone is criticizing Opera for the gutted features.
- Geee 13y agoThese are the old users who are whining. Opera's old user base is a good riddance. Opera was a slow, bloated browser, which no-one wanted to use. Now it has a chance at being a decent browser and acquiring a new user base, who doesn't care about those 'gutted features'.
- kmfrk 13y agoNow it has a chance at being a decent browser and acquiring a new user base, who doesn't care about those 'gutted features'. By doing what, exactly?
- jamesgeck0 13y agoSlow? It was actually pretty efficient. It ran extremely well on old computers that Firefox and Chrome crawled on.
- PavlovsCat 13y agoOpera was a slow, bloated browser Now it's bigger with less features. The market share of power users might be smaller, but there Opera at least had a chance. Competing for the "I can't do shit so I don't want options" crowd against Google and their shamelessly emotional ads? No chance. No good reason to even try, either.
- faaaah 13y agoOpera slow and bloated? Excuse me, but did you look at the download size? Opera 12 is tiny compared to Chrome and the new version, and it has a much smaller footprint. Opera runs on old hardware Chrome couldn't even dream of running on.
- cpsales 13y agoWithout the "old user base" (old indeed, I've been a fanboy for 10 years), Opera is nothing. They will not get the Chrome userbase. They don't have ressources to fetch a large audience. Opera is a browser for geek and should have stay so.
- lulzzz 13y agoI see a lot of complaining around here. Apparently people are forgetting that this a preview release. The features familiar to Opera users that are missing will be added in the next iterations. It's a clear and simple thing to understand. Quit whining already.
- jameswyse 13y agoI've never been much of an Opera fan but this is looking really nice. The speed dial and stash features look like a good replacement for bookmarks too. I'd try it out full-time but I can't live without my 1password extension :/
- dubcanada 13y agoI didn't know Opera mail was so good. Now I want it to be bundled with Opera. It's pretty awesome. Except I wish they had a "All Mail" folder... rather then this rather confusing "Unread" and "Received" folders, that seem to contain pretty much the same thing until you read them, then it is removed from both.
- blaabjerg 13y agoThat sounds like a bug. "Received" is supposed to be like "all [received] mail", both read and unread. Works like a charm on 12.15.
- dubcanada 13y agoCan you install Google Chrome extensions to Opera Next?
- exterm 13y agoYou can't install them from the chrome store, but if the developer uploads the to the opera add-on store you can install it.
- mzelinka 13y agoI've just tryed it out and it looks awesome!! Good job Opera!
- srisa 13y agoPossibly off topic, but any idea as to what they are going to do with presto?
- exterm 13y agoI think they have done a good job of making an opera-flavored chromium. It already feels like opera in many ways. Now all we need is some more features. I'm very excited for the next versions.
- aw3c2 13y agoThis makes me wish to pay for Opera just so they keep it as great as it is.
- kmasters 13y agoNice to see a company that cares about users up its game. Opera is now at the forefront along with google, and unlike google, will actually make features people want. Never having to use the chrome bookmark manager again (or firefoxes or safaris) is a huge sell for me. As for all the features they dropped, Im sure there are or will be extensions for that. Personally, I prefer the browser to be screaming fast with just enough features that I need. I could never switch to opera in the past because it was simply too slow. Also, I wont get ads for Google products in browser or prompts to "login" to my browser as Google has been doing lately. YAY!
- mrweasel 13y agoIt really fascinates me that no one, not even in the comments on the Opera blog, seems to have noticed that you cannot add a new search engine. I guess people are happy as long as Google is available. Opera Next aren't going to be released next week, so they can still migrate a lot of features, but I do agree with those who are concerned that they won't manage to move "enough" features to keep all their old users. I also wonder how fare they are will to diverge from Chromium, the further away they go, the harder it might be to keep in sync. One have to wonder: "How important is the desktop browser to Opera business?" Do they make enough money on the desktop version to make it worth porting every single feature in order to keep all their current users?
- cpsales 13y agoSome users talk about it on the forum. Maybe they're not surprised because there was already a "bug" with Opera 12.15. Google is the default search engine and if your change that it comes back everytime you re-start Opera. http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1648442 http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1648442