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It's better for well established players to move to low cost areas. Startups need to be in places where there is abundance of talent. Engineering salary are ext

It's better for well established players to move to low cost areas. Startups need to be in places where there is abundance of talent. Engineering salary are extremely high as-is, it would be nigh impossible to make them move to the middle of nowhere.

michaelochurch 13y ago
Engineer salaries are not "extremely high". Compared to cost-of-living, they're more than adequate and on the high side by historical standards, but not "extremely high". In fact, most engineers make less than all those supernumerary non-technical VPs and product managers for nonexistent products that plague VC-funded companies. "Extremely" high starts around $350k per year for a mid-career (10 years) engineer and things aren't at that point right now.
bdcravens 13y ago
In a world of PaaS and the cloud, and amazing communication capabilities like Skype and Google Hangout, why? What about CA or NY makes them more talented? They're there because the work is there, not vice versa. Also, you don't have to be in the middle of nowhere. There's plenty of large American cities where you can buy a nice house for less than $150K. I realize that the SF reality distortion field would suggest that everywhere else is powered by oil lamps, but I figure as long as you have high speed Internet and are within an hour of an Apple store, then you are quite capable to getting the work done from your home.
- general_failure 13y ago
  What you are saying makes total sense as a founder. But for an engineer there us no motivation to move to an area where there are not many opportunities.
  - bdcravens 13y ago
    I say that as someone who has remained gainfully employed for several companies, only one of which was local, over the past several years.
calinet6 13y ago
And, hate to say it, but Talent likes to live where it is desirable, fun, and interesting to live. Because Talent can afford it, and Talent wants a life full of desirable characteristics. The Bay Area isn't expensive because of magic. It's expensive because people want to live there, and people want to live there because it really is a great place to live, all things considered. You can play the value game all you want and try to make the argument that upstate New York is somehow unfairly treated by an economic imbalance, but the truth is, people want to live there less than they want to live in NYC or SF or nearly anywhere else.

michaelochurch 13y ago

Engineer salaries are not "extremely high". Compared to cost-of-living, they're more than adequate and on the high side by historical standards, but not "extremely high". In fact, most engineers make less than all those supernumerary non-technical VPs and product managers for nonexistent products that plague VC-funded companies. "Extremely" high starts around $350k per year for a mid-career (10 years) engineer and things aren't at that point right now.

bdcravens 13y ago

In a world of PaaS and the cloud, and amazing communication capabilities like Skype and Google Hangout, why? What about CA or NY makes them more talented? They're there because the work is there, not vice versa. Also, you don't have to be in the middle of nowhere. There's plenty of large American cities where you can buy a nice house for less than $150K. I realize that the SF reality distortion field would suggest that everywhere else is powered by oil lamps, but I figure as long as you have high speed Internet and are within an hour of an Apple store, then you are quite capable to getting the work done from your home.

general_failure 13y ago
What you are saying makes total sense as a founder. But for an engineer there us no motivation to move to an area where there are not many opportunities.
- bdcravens 13y ago
  I say that as someone who has remained gainfully employed for several companies, only one of which was local, over the past several years.

calinet6 13y ago

And, hate to say it, but Talent likes to live where it is desirable, fun, and interesting to live. Because Talent can afford it, and Talent wants a life full of desirable characteristics. The Bay Area isn't expensive because of magic. It's expensive because people want to live there, and people want to live there because it really is a great place to live, all things considered. You can play the value game all you want and try to make the argument that upstate New York is somehow unfairly treated by an economic imbalance, but the truth is, people want to live there less than they want to live in NYC or SF or nearly anywhere else.