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> Islam is not as powerful in the "Islamic world" as you portrayed. Taliban is the exception, not the rule. Sure. But I was talking mostly about Afghanistan.
by graycat 13y ago
> Islam is not as powerful in the "Islamic world" as you portrayed. Taliban is the exception, not the rule.
Sure. But I was talking mostly about Afghanistan. And
the US got 'impatient' with the Shiite/Sunni fighting in
Iraq. And the Shiite yelling and screaming, "Death to
America" from Iran is difficult to respect.
For the connection between the clerics and the economy in
Iran, there was an article in, maybe, 'Forbes' long ago
explaining that basically the clerics get a 'cut' of
nearly everything in the economy, control who gets to
do what, etc.
But, why? That is, why are the Islamic clerics in Iran
running the economy with a short leash and
running an aggressive military and foreign policy
at great cost to their domestic standard of living?
Is this just religion? No. But Islam is not just
religion and, instead, is often also economic, legal,
military, foreign policy, etc. That's not new: The
Roman Catholic church was doing that in Europe for
hundreds of years. They owned a major fraction of all
the farm land in France which has a major fraction of
all the good farm land in Western Europe. They built
little things like the cathedrals, while the people
were living in, what, mud huts? They built the Bishop's
Residenz in Würzburg, awash in some of the fanciest art
and architecture in all of civilization -- not cheap,
and built by citizens in, what, mud huts? The Roman
Catholic church was running everything. E.g., to be
a king, had to have the Pope tap you on the head or some
such. And they were corrupt. So, they had the Protestant Reformation, religious wars, etc. Lots of blood. Finally they learned their lessons about religion. In the US, we
borrowed those lessons -- the state will establish no religion; there will be separation of church and state; there will be freedom of religion. Done. Iraq, Iran, and
Afghanistan still have to learn these old lessons.
Sorry about the Shah; he was a pawn in the Cold War. The
US had just finished WWII and, thus, took the Cold War
seriously. We spent a LOT of money, and blood, winning
the Cold War.
Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the other Arab oil
states, should all do the same thing: Cool down. Relax.
Embrace peace. Get the clerics into religion only.
No more clerics measuring the lengths of women's skirts
or censoring the Internet.
Pump oil. Enjoy life. Then work on culture, good
government, education, technology, and a strong economy
for when the oil runs out. And stop shouting "Death to
America". Want nuclear power for electric power, taking the
salt out of water and growing vegetables? Fine. Just
accept the usual international rules, safeguards, and inspections, and light up your cities and have
fountains and big swimming pools of pure water.
All this fighting is over nothing, wasteful, and absurd.
- pooriaazimi 13y ago(sorry that this comment is not at all coherent - I have a bad headache right now) I agree. But the problem is that those who chant "Death to America", like the status quo; they don't want change! If things change (like you said in the second to last paragraph), they'll be out of their jobs and have to do an honest day's work. They don't want that. And do everything they can to prevent that. They "have" to portray US as the "Great Satan", that is behind all their economic, cultural and political mistakes. It might be strange and unfathomable to you and me, but some people prefer to be King in a wasteland, than to be an ordinary citizen in a country with much greater standard of living. They'd rather be a powerful Mullah in Taliban, than to live normally in a western country. Many of these clerics have spent years studying in European countries, but after finishing college they've left the west and now are living in a shack somewhere in Ghandahar and are the local commander of Taliban. Why? I don't know. Most of these people won't "cool down, relax or embrace peace", because they are enjoying their shitty lives. And that's the problem, because they have the power to make life miserable for others too. They'd sooner bomb their people (Saddam, Ghadafi, Assad) and ruin their own country, than to "let it go". There are exceptions like Mubarak or Bin Ali (or Iran's Shah) that fought furiously, but in the end decided not to completely ruin their countries and fled. But not all dictators are like that; some are like Assad.
- pekk 13y agoI hope you are very careful, your commentary is really interesting but I worry for you writing things like what you said about Shah and Assad from there.