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fargo is most definitely an interesting web-app, and i can see it being useful for many people... dave is a little bit over-enthusiastic about it -- there are

fargo is most definitely an interesting web-app, and i can see it being useful for many people... dave is a little bit over-enthusiastic about it -- there are literally dozens of writing tools that've been using dropbox for a long time now, to correct just one of his main brag-points -- but it's not a crime to love what you've made. (nate kontny is similarly proud of his "draft", another writing-oriented web-tool that's newish and attracting a lot of fans with its qualities.) we'll see what dave's users end up doing with it. -bowerbird

davewiner 13y ago
We started a mail list for Dropbox users to find the software you're talking about. Maybe you'll join the list and post some links. https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dropbox-users https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dropbox-u... Note I tried not to be enthusiastic about your comment. Didn't work. ;-)
- bowerbird 13y ago
  you've censored me too many times for me to contribute to any endeavor that you control, dave, so i'd pass on your listserve anyway... but such a listserve is largely unnecessary. it's easy enough to find such writing-tools, just by googling with the appropriate terms. (or, if you wanna just go immediately to the most versatile: https://www.textdropapp.com https://www.textdropapp.com; but fair warning, the yearly cost is $32+.) besides, dropbox support was big _last_year_. this year, something better is now available. i'll leave you to your own devices to find it, dave, and continue to wish you the best of luck, even if i feel you haven't treated me so nicely. and i certainly won't let your animosity color my view of your software, and the potential it has. although, to be honest, i think your earlier take -- that an outlining tool and a writing tool are two different types of tools, and need to retain their separate focus in order to be their best -- was the correct one, and your new hope that you can leverage fargo into a general writing tool is one that will ultimately flop. but hey, that's just my opinion, and i'd love to see your users prove me wrong, and do amazing stuff with fargo. -bowerbird
  - davewiner 13y ago
    Nothing changed in my view about the relationship between outlining and general writing tools. Fargo is an almost exact clone of the outliner I created in 1987. Here's something I wrote recently on the subject. http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/april/outlinersAndWordProcessors http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/april/outlinersAndWordPro... I'm doing the best I can, I don't feel any animosity toward you, I don't know where that's coming from. Peace..
    - bowerbird 13y ago
      dave said: > Nothing changed in my view about the relationship between outlining and general writing tools. > Here's something I wrote recently on the subject. > http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/april/outlinersAndWordProcessors http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/april/outlinersAndWordPro... right. and earlier, in march, you wrote something similar, here: > http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/march/imNotMakingBloggingTools http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/march/imNotMakingBlogging... but since then, you added markdown support, which seems to indicate movement toward writing and editing and publishing, in addition to the outlining. further, you just recently retracted the march post, here: > http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/may/mathewTaughtMeSomething http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/may/mathewTaughtMeSomethi... and, as i said, i think your earlier take (in march and april) was more accurate, and that an attempt to go broader will cause fargo to lose focus, just as you said in the april piece. but, again, i would love to be proven wrong. because my tool-set attacks the issue from the other direction -- with a focus on the writing and editing and publishing of long-form documents -- and i've decided not to incorporate any outlining capability because i think it would blur that focus. but if your users can show me how to avoid that blurring, i will learn from them. but lacking that, i believe that (early) outlining is best seen as a good complement to (later) editing and publishing, at least for long-form documents. * > I don't feel any animosity toward you, I don't know where that's coming from. well, dave, you probably cannot be expected to keep track of all the people you censor and block. but you have censored my comments more than once, and blocked me on twitter. and while i am quite sure that you don't have any _personal_ animosity toward me, since you don't even know me, the acts of censorship and blocking are _not_ friendly ones. from your perspective, you're probably just "protecting" yourself from us "trolls". but i'd guess that you can imagine it looks different from my perspective. so no, i'm not gonna contribute to a listserve where you can censor my input. i'll stay independent, so i can call you out when you're wrong, and give you credit when you do good. -bowerbird

davewiner 13y ago

We started a mail list for Dropbox users to find the software you're talking about. Maybe you'll join the list and post some links. https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dropbox-users https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dropbox-u... Note I tried not to be enthusiastic about your comment. Didn't work. ;-)

bowerbird 13y ago
you've censored me too many times for me to contribute to any endeavor that you control, dave, so i'd pass on your listserve anyway... but such a listserve is largely unnecessary. it's easy enough to find such writing-tools, just by googling with the appropriate terms. (or, if you wanna just go immediately to the most versatile: https://www.textdropapp.com https://www.textdropapp.com; but fair warning, the yearly cost is $32+.) besides, dropbox support was big _last_year_. this year, something better is now available. i'll leave you to your own devices to find it, dave, and continue to wish you the best of luck, even if i feel you haven't treated me so nicely. and i certainly won't let your animosity color my view of your software, and the potential it has. although, to be honest, i think your earlier take -- that an outlining tool and a writing tool are two different types of tools, and need to retain their separate focus in order to be their best -- was the correct one, and your new hope that you can leverage fargo into a general writing tool is one that will ultimately flop. but hey, that's just my opinion, and i'd love to see your users prove me wrong, and do amazing stuff with fargo. -bowerbird
- davewiner 13y ago
  Nothing changed in my view about the relationship between outlining and general writing tools. Fargo is an almost exact clone of the outliner I created in 1987. Here's something I wrote recently on the subject. http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/april/outlinersAndWordProcessors http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/april/outlinersAndWordPro... I'm doing the best I can, I don't feel any animosity toward you, I don't know where that's coming from. Peace..
  - bowerbird 13y ago
    dave said: > Nothing changed in my view about the relationship between outlining and general writing tools. > Here's something I wrote recently on the subject. > http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/april/outlinersAndWordProcessors http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/april/outlinersAndWordPro... right. and earlier, in march, you wrote something similar, here: > http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/march/imNotMakingBloggingTools http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/march/imNotMakingBlogging... but since then, you added markdown support, which seems to indicate movement toward writing and editing and publishing, in addition to the outlining. further, you just recently retracted the march post, here: > http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/may/mathewTaughtMeSomething http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/may/mathewTaughtMeSomethi... and, as i said, i think your earlier take (in march and april) was more accurate, and that an attempt to go broader will cause fargo to lose focus, just as you said in the april piece. but, again, i would love to be proven wrong. because my tool-set attacks the issue from the other direction -- with a focus on the writing and editing and publishing of long-form documents -- and i've decided not to incorporate any outlining capability because i think it would blur that focus. but if your users can show me how to avoid that blurring, i will learn from them. but lacking that, i believe that (early) outlining is best seen as a good complement to (later) editing and publishing, at least for long-form documents. * > I don't feel any animosity toward you, I don't know where that's coming from. well, dave, you probably cannot be expected to keep track of all the people you censor and block. but you have censored my comments more than once, and blocked me on twitter. and while i am quite sure that you don't have any _personal_ animosity toward me, since you don't even know me, the acts of censorship and blocking are _not_ friendly ones. from your perspective, you're probably just "protecting" yourself from us "trolls". but i'd guess that you can imagine it looks different from my perspective. so no, i'm not gonna contribute to a listserve where you can censor my input. i'll stay independent, so i can call you out when you're wrong, and give you credit when you do good. -bowerbird