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Based on your comment, I can see that you have not read the paper. The section with rootkits is about thwarting active, targeted cyber espionage. Organization

by seandhi 13y ago

Based on your comment, I can see that you have not read the paper. The section with rootkits is about thwarting active, targeted cyber espionage. Organizations should have the right to protect files on their own networks by any reasonable means. They are not proposing a mechanism by which organizations would be allowed to distribute rootkits. I certainly have the right to disable my car remotely if it is stolen. I also have the right to lock the doors and take pictures of the assailant who stole it and send them to the police.

nitrogen 13y ago
I also have the right to lock the doors and take pictures of the assailant who stole it and send them to the police. Wouldn't locking the doors effectively be kidnapping?
- seandhi 13y ago
  Is it kidnapping when doors lock in robbers during bank robberies? I believe that it would be covered under citizen's arrest common law and statutes. Generally, a private citizen has the right to make a warrantless arrest during or after the commission of a felony or during the commission of a misdemeanor.
cdash 13y ago
I doubt you have the right to cut off the engine while the car is being driven. Also in the example cases you mentioned you have the right to do something with property that is legally yours. The problem comes in the fact that someone else's computer is not your property so no you should not be allowed to install rootkits and take control of their computer. The best example of what your talking about is DRM which is already legal.
smsm42 13y ago
Sending pictures to the police is not the same as disabling the whole system on the suspicion of illegal access. Especially that copyright trolls' opinion of which information belongs to them may be very different from anyone else's, to which we have seen a lot of evidence. So I wouldn't want to have my comp locked up because some media company decided it absolutely needs to install rootkit on my machine to watch some legit movie I paid for and later that rootkit thinks I've downloaded some files to which they hold copyright. I appreciate that they would like this power very much - as they probably would like the power to conduct searches without a warrant or imprison and fine people on mere suspicion, without tiresome process of trial. That would indeed make punishing criminals and fighting crime much easier. The only thing that prevents it is that people have rights, and I'd very much like to keep them, even if it inconveniences some companies a little. I'm not living for their convenience and at their pleasure, so they'd have to find some other ways to protect their interests.

by seandhi 13y ago

nitrogen 13y ago

I also have the right to lock the doors and take pictures of the assailant who stole it and send them to the police. Wouldn't locking the doors effectively be kidnapping?

seandhi 13y ago
Is it kidnapping when doors lock in robbers during bank robberies? I believe that it would be covered under citizen's arrest common law and statutes. Generally, a private citizen has the right to make a warrantless arrest during or after the commission of a felony or during the commission of a misdemeanor.

cdash 13y ago

I doubt you have the right to cut off the engine while the car is being driven. Also in the example cases you mentioned you have the right to do something with property that is legally yours. The problem comes in the fact that someone else's computer is not your property so no you should not be allowed to install rootkits and take control of their computer. The best example of what your talking about is DRM which is already legal.

smsm42 13y ago

Sending pictures to the police is not the same as disabling the whole system on the suspicion of illegal access. Especially that copyright trolls' opinion of which information belongs to them may be very different from anyone else's, to which we have seen a lot of evidence. So I wouldn't want to have my comp locked up because some media company decided it absolutely needs to install rootkit on my machine to watch some legit movie I paid for and later that rootkit thinks I've downloaded some files to which they hold copyright. I appreciate that they would like this power very much - as they probably would like the power to conduct searches without a warrant or imprison and fine people on mere suspicion, without tiresome process of trial. That would indeed make punishing criminals and fighting crime much easier. The only thing that prevents it is that people have rights, and I'd very much like to keep them, even if it inconveniences some companies a little. I'm not living for their convenience and at their pleasure, so they'd have to find some other ways to protect their interests.