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We'd have to agree on how to write II + II We could ask for a basic derivative (for example, of a polynomial), or the value of 'x' in a simple algebraic equati

by dhimes 18y ago

We'd have to agree on how to write II + II We could ask for a basic derivative (for example, of a polynomial), or the value of 'x' in a simple algebraic equation x+5 = 2x + 10

phildawes 18y ago
Cool - a challenge bots can't hope to beat. Oh wait... http://72.3.253.76/webMathematica3/quickmath/page.jsp?s1=equations&s2=solve&s3=basic http://72.3.253.76/webMathematica3/quickmath/page.jsp?s1=equ...
- sketerpot 18y ago
  The point is to try to get the spammers to go someplace that's less work to spam.
cperciva 18y ago
Problems like that are far too easy for computer programs to solve. Clearly the right solution here is to present new users with a set of Turing machines and ask them which of the specified machines halt. This would probably be very effective at limiting the growth rate of HN, too.
- dhimes 18y ago
  I've never written a bot. I thought perhaps that the process of parsing instructions (we could put more than one variable in the equation), then writing code to solve, might be more effort than it's worth to them. Especially if we're doing something that is somewhat unique so their reward would only be one page. However, phildawes is apparently implying that once the bots have parsed the problem and know what to solve for they could go to a page that implements Mathematica and submit the problem to be solved, therefore saving the time required to write problem-solving code. I didn't realize they worked like that.
  - rythie 18y ago
    agreed, computers are good at solving math problems or running Turing machines (since they are them). You would be better off with a turing test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test) that only a human can answer - and if any does get a computer to solve it you get them to start a company because they have solved a fundamental computing problem.
    - cperciva 18y ago
      Computers are good at simulating Turing machines. Computers aren't good at determining whether Turing machines halt; in fact, it is impossible for a computer to determine in the general case whether a Turing machine will halt.
      - rythie 18y ago
        Fair enough, though it might have the effect of not letting humans in either ;-)

by dhimes 18y ago

We'd have to agree on how to write II + II We could ask for a basic derivative (for example, of a polynomial), or the value of 'x' in a simple algebraic equation x+5 = 2x + 10

phildawes 18y ago

Cool - a challenge bots can't hope to beat. Oh wait... http://72.3.253.76/webMathematica3/quickmath/page.jsp?s1=equations&s2=solve&s3=basic http://72.3.253.76/webMathematica3/quickmath/page.jsp?s1=equ...

sketerpot 18y ago
The point is to try to get the spammers to go someplace that's less work to spam.

cperciva 18y ago

Problems like that are far too easy for computer programs to solve. Clearly the right solution here is to present new users with a set of Turing machines and ask them which of the specified machines halt. This would probably be very effective at limiting the growth rate of HN, too.

dhimes 18y ago
I've never written a bot. I thought perhaps that the process of parsing instructions (we could put more than one variable in the equation), then writing code to solve, might be more effort than it's worth to them. Especially if we're doing something that is somewhat unique so their reward would only be one page. However, phildawes is apparently implying that once the bots have parsed the problem and know what to solve for they could go to a page that implements Mathematica and submit the problem to be solved, therefore saving the time required to write problem-solving code. I didn't realize they worked like that.
- rythie 18y ago
  agreed, computers are good at solving math problems or running Turing machines (since they are them). You would be better off with a turing test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test) that only a human can answer - and if any does get a computer to solve it you get them to start a company because they have solved a fundamental computing problem.
  - cperciva 18y ago
    Computers are good at simulating Turing machines. Computers aren't good at determining whether Turing machines halt; in fact, it is impossible for a computer to determine in the general case whether a Turing machine will halt.
    - rythie 18y ago
      Fair enough, though it might have the effect of not letting humans in either ;-)