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@at-fates-hands I bet you didn't know 60 people were accidentally killed by firearms yesterday. And the day before that, and the day before that. About 30 peo

@at-fates-hands I bet you didn't know 60 people were accidentally killed by firearms yesterday. And the day before that, and the day before that. About 30 people are killed in attacks -- every day. And another thing, why is it gun patriots never give a fig about the other rights in the Constitution, like freedom of speech, religion, and assembly? I think you guys just like to play with guns. It takes a cold dead hand...

andrewflnr 13y ago
I don't believe your statement about "gun patriots" is based on reality. In my experience, gun rights, freedom of speech and freedom of religion are all bound up pretty tightly. A well-armed populace is often seen as a safeguard of those other rights.
lifeguard 13y ago
Talk is cheap. I never see gun nuts do anything promoting civil rights. EDIT: I did once meet a militia member at a non-gun civil rights event.
- hga 13y ago
  I guess you don't realize that we believe the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a civil right? And in our view, no right is under greater attack than it (even after all the IRS abuse that has recently come to light)? And that therefore we're rather busy protecting it from people like you? And we're most certainly interested in other civil rights, ranging from freedom of speech (Citizens United, McCain hates us with a passion and were were one of the groups he and Feingold aimed to silence), to the abuses of SWAT raids. Read our stuff and you'll find your opinion to be ill founded.
  - lifeguard 13y ago
    I only hear you talk about ONE civil right, ignoring all the others. I think conflating guns and the right to a regulated militia, in the context of ignoring all other civil rights, indicates some other motivation. A motivation not influenced by rational thought. Start standing up for porn, flag burning, video games, and pastafarians and I might take you for some one serious about civil rights. Liberty is not about being able to do the things you like, it is much bigger. If you do stand up for the other civil right, thanks! But I see no evidence in tone or content of this.
ctdonath 13y ago
60 fatal gun accidents per day? Way way off. It's measured in the low hundreds per year, not around 21,000 annual. Cars however...30,000ish accidental per year. (USA numbers)
- lifeguard 13y ago
  Wrong. Do more more research.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    According to the CDC[1], there were 613 deaths caused by unintended firearm injury in 2007. Are they wrong? [1]: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html
  - jpiasetz 13y ago
    I'll bite "In 2007, there were 613 fatal firearm accidents in the United States, constituting 0.5% of 123,706 fatal accidents that year" [1][2] [1] http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp [2] http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html
  - lifeguard 13y ago
    31k gun deaths in 2010 http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010 -- WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010
    - lifeguard 13y ago
      On average, 49 gun suicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010 (WISQARS)
    - lifeguard 13y ago
      It takes a cold dead hand to earn profit from firearms in America.
sarvinc 13y ago
Where did the label "gun patriot" come from? I'm always interested with how people label themselves/others. This one is particularly interesting, to me, because I can't figure out where this comes from or why you're using it. I'm pro-second amendment and I care very much out our liberties. In fact I believe that the same arguments made for and against the second amendment can also be made for and against the others you've mentioned. Are those in favor of gun control also in favor of controlling speech, religion and assembly? I own a few firearms and don't play with any of them.

andrewflnr 13y ago

I don't believe your statement about "gun patriots" is based on reality. In my experience, gun rights, freedom of speech and freedom of religion are all bound up pretty tightly. A well-armed populace is often seen as a safeguard of those other rights.

lifeguard 13y ago

Talk is cheap. I never see gun nuts do anything promoting civil rights. EDIT: I did once meet a militia member at a non-gun civil rights event.

hga 13y ago
I guess you don't realize that we believe the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a civil right? And in our view, no right is under greater attack than it (even after all the IRS abuse that has recently come to light)? And that therefore we're rather busy protecting it from people like you? And we're most certainly interested in other civil rights, ranging from freedom of speech (Citizens United, McCain hates us with a passion and were were one of the groups he and Feingold aimed to silence), to the abuses of SWAT raids. Read our stuff and you'll find your opinion to be ill founded.
- lifeguard 13y ago
  I only hear you talk about ONE civil right, ignoring all the others. I think conflating guns and the right to a regulated militia, in the context of ignoring all other civil rights, indicates some other motivation. A motivation not influenced by rational thought. Start standing up for porn, flag burning, video games, and pastafarians and I might take you for some one serious about civil rights. Liberty is not about being able to do the things you like, it is much bigger. If you do stand up for the other civil right, thanks! But I see no evidence in tone or content of this.

ctdonath 13y ago

60 fatal gun accidents per day? Way way off. It's measured in the low hundreds per year, not around 21,000 annual. Cars however...30,000ish accidental per year. (USA numbers)

lifeguard 13y ago
Wrong. Do more more research.
- icebraining 13y ago
  According to the CDC[1], there were 613 deaths caused by unintended firearm injury in 2007. Are they wrong? [1]: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html
- jpiasetz 13y ago
  I'll bite "In 2007, there were 613 fatal firearm accidents in the United States, constituting 0.5% of 123,706 fatal accidents that year" [1][2] [1] http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp [2] http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html
- lifeguard 13y ago
  31k gun deaths in 2010 http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe On average, 33 gun homicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010 -- WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010
  - lifeguard 13y ago
    On average, 49 gun suicides were committed each day for the years 2005-2010 (WISQARS)
  - lifeguard 13y ago
    It takes a cold dead hand to earn profit from firearms in America.

sarvinc 13y ago

Where did the label "gun patriot" come from? I'm always interested with how people label themselves/others. This one is particularly interesting, to me, because I can't figure out where this comes from or why you're using it. I'm pro-second amendment and I care very much out our liberties. In fact I believe that the same arguments made for and against the second amendment can also be made for and against the others you've mentioned. Are those in favor of gun control also in favor of controlling speech, religion and assembly? I own a few firearms and don't play with any of them.